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Posted: July 28, 2010 July 19, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Gilchrist
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mr. Tilden
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Kerr called the meeting to order at 7:45PM. He seated the members and Alternate Mills for Ms. Gilchrist.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION:
To accept the 6/14/10 minutes as written.
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0-1.
Mr. Talbot abstaining; was not present at 6/14/10 meeting.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda.
c. Williams /87 Calhoun Street /new fence. d. Klemm /11 Ives Road /status of silo.
By Mr. Kerr, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.a. St. John’s Episcopal Church /78 Green Hill Road /light on sign.
The members discussed the light which was approved at their 11/16/09 meeting for installation on the church sign. It has not yet been installed. Mr. Kerr commented the existing light looks in disarray – one of the arms is off. Mrs. Boyer said that’s because they cut one of the arms off. She added the light goes on every night. Mr. Smith asked if the light is still glaring onto the road. Mr. Talbot said not as much since they painted the inside of the light fixture. Mr. Talbot said it is his understanding that the lighting issue is at a standstill for now but will be included in a master plan when the church hires an architect to work on a maintenance program and an upgrade of the building exterior. The members all agreed that a letter should be sent to the church informing them that they do not have to install the light approved by HDC, but they do have to address the fact that the present light is unacceptable and needs to be removed.b. Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /completion dates.
The commission looked over the list of work and completion dates which were submitted by Ann Khouri Bass at the meeting on 8/17/09. After a brief discussion they concluded that a letter should be sent requesting an updated list.c. Williams /87 Calhoun Street /new fence.
It was brought to the attention of the commission that Mr. Williams has replaced his white picket fence with a split rail fence without applying to HDC. He did not return a phone call from one of the members. Mr. Williams will be sent an application in the mail.d. Klemm /11 Ives Road /status of silo.
Mr. Klemm received approval from HDC to rebuild his silo on 2/8/10. The members discussed the fact that the old silo has now come down and they concurred that a letter should be sent to Mr. Klemm asking that the commission be kept informed on the progress of rebuilding the new silo.Mr. Kerr read a letter from Arthur Deacon & Sons Construction. They will be replacing deteriorated siding including doors on a barn belonging to Mr. Kenyon Clark, 6 Romford Road. The work will be “replacement in kind” with no changes to the barn.
Mrs. Boyer had a general question for the commission. She asked if a C of A goes with the sale of a house. Mr. Talbot replied yes, the approval does stay with the house, and records and documents in HDC files are public record. Mr. Kerr agreed. The records can be used to benefit the property. In addition, Mrs. Boyer thought if a resident has a C of A that has not been satisfactorily completed they should not be able to come to HDC with a new application until work on that previous one is finished.
Mr. Tilden said the down-side to that is people might just do the work anyway. Mrs. Mills noted that people feel like they should be able to do whatever they want with their own property. In that case, Mr. Smith said they could be taken to court, but there is no guaranteed outcome. It is better to get people to apply before they do projects. Mrs. Boyer suggested sending out notices reminding residents they live in an historic district and also continuing to photograph the districts each year.
MOTION: To adjourn. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Kerr adjourned the meeting at 9:00PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: June 17, 2010 June 14, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mr. Tilden
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. Canning, Mr. & Mrs. Greenfield, Mr. Markert, Mr. SmithREGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 7:40PM and seated the members.Consideration of the Minutes
The 5/17/10 minutes were accepted as corrected:
Pg.1, Par.2, Line 2:…..April minutes about Elbow Properties, LLC.MOTION:
To accept the 5/17/10 minutes as corrected.
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Kerr and passed 4-0.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda. a. Discussion with Calhoun-Ives District residents.
By Ms. Gilchrist, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Discussion with Calhoun-Ives District residents.
Mrs. Canning told the commission that some of the Calhoun-Ives District residents held a neighborhood gathering at the Greenfield’s house where they had a thorough discussion on things they were happy and unhappy with in the district. Mr. Tyler Smith said one thing they are very unhappy about is that real estate brokers are not telling people when they are buying into an historic district. One broker was overheard telling someone, ‘you can build what you want’. Ms. Gilchrist told the residents that the commission is totally in agreement with them. The commission has contacted real estate agents in the past, asking them to inform people when they are buying into an historic district – but they don’t. Mr. Smith noted that the land records will show if a property is in one of the historic districts. Mr. Markert commented that is the tail-end of the process. A buyer should know up front.Mr. Tyler Smith asked what kind of enforcement the commission has. What happens if a wall gets built without permits. Mr. Kerr replied the commission would have to go to Superior Court in Litchfield. One of the residents asked if they, as a committee, could take someone to court. Mr. Kerr said he did not know; that is an interesting concept. Mr. Kerr said the HDC website is being updated and they are stressing the fact that HDC has the same enforcement powers as any other commission. Mr. Smith recalled that the commission did have to go to court a few years back and stated it is a risky and difficult way of doing something. You don’t know if you’re going to win. It is better to negotiate.
Mr. Kerr said clearly there are not too many real estate offices in town, so someone from the committee could address the brokers when they have their meetings. Mrs. Canning thought that was a good idea. In addition, Mrs. Canning asked if the commission could send a letter each year (or every 6 months?) to real estate agencies in town, reminding them to inform buyers about the historic districts and that houses in those districts are protected. Mr. Smith said at one time HDC tried to make sure that agents had the folders describing the three historic districts.
The commission was asked if they ever look at buildings that are not being maintained. Mr. Smith replied there is nothing they can do about willful neglect.
Mr. Greenfield said another item that came up at their meeting was the new house being built. He said they object to the way it was presented as a restoration. In addition, the house has a lot of windows which will be lit up at night. Mrs. Greenfield commented on the fact that they cannot have any little lights in front of the house, but large windows are allowed.
Mr. Smith observed that it is clear the residents would like to see some changes in regulations for their district and also take part in revising them. Mrs. Canning stated the residents were very united in their efforts for the Calhoun-Ives district. Mr. Markert added they would like for HDC to use them as an adjunct to whatever the commission is doing. Ms. Gilchrist told the residents she was glad they want to be involved.
Other Business
A. St. John’s Church lighting.
According to the Zoning Enforcement Officer, the church does not like the signage light approved by HDC so they never got a permit from Zoning. When they select a new light for the sign they will come back to HDC and Zoning for a new approval.B. Washington Cemetery signs.
The cemetery signs will be removed from the stop sign and the state route 47 signs at Parsonage Lane.C. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road.
The commission agreed that it appears the work is almost finished and it looks good.
MOTION: To adjourn. By Mr. Chute.
Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 8:25PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: May 25, 2010 May 17, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Tilden
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Mills
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Kerr called the meeting to order at 7:36PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Ms. Gilchrist and Mr. Tilden for Mr. Talbot.
Consideration of the Minutes
A brief discussion took place regarding the April minutes. Mr. Smith noted there were only very short comments on the lighting, whereas the stonework was discussed for quite a while. Mr. Kerr agreed there was much discussion about the stonework but the applicant had not presented anything on the lighting, so there was nothing to discuss. Mr. Smith said he just wanted to point out that when the commission puts a condition into a motion, it would be good to have some discussion in the minutes to back it up.MOTION:
To accept the 4/19/10 minutes as written.
By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Kerr and passed 5-0.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda. a. Lighting at St. John’s Church. b. Washington Cemetery signs. c. Khouri house, 75 Green Hill Road.
By Mr. Kerr, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.a. Lighting at St. John’s Church.
They had agreed to change the top of the sign and would not turn the light back on until the sign was fixed. Will check with Zoning Official to see if Zoning approved lighting on the sign and check minutes.b. Cemetery signs.
There is a Washington Cemetery sign attached to the Route 47 sign and also on the stop sign at the corner of Parsonage Lane and Route 47. Mr. Tilden said obviously a sign is needed to show people where the cemetery is located. Mr. Kerr asked the members if they would change the placement of the sign. Mrs. Boyer read from the Zoning Regs that a cemetery sign is allowed in a residential district, but a C of A is required for one in an historic district. Mr. Chute said the Cemetery Association should be aware of the rules. Mr. Kerr suggested Mrs. Shade send a letter to the Cemetery Association.Mrs. Boyer said she would like to see the three above topics listed for discussion on the June agenda.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Kerr adjourned the meeting at 8:00PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: May 8, 2010 April 19, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mr. Tilden
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Frisch, Atty. Kelly, Residents Calhoun-Ives District
PUBLIC HEARING
Elbow Properties, LLC /110 Calhoun Street /Restoration and reconstruction of barn and farmhouse.
Mr. Kerr opened the Public Hearing at 7:38PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Elbow Properties, LLC, 110 Calhoun Street, for restoration and reconstruction of the barn and farmhouse. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 4/11/10. Mr. Kerr seated the members and seated Alternate Mills for Ms. Gilchrist and Alternate Tilden for Mr. Talbot. He asked the commissioners if they had any conflicts of interest in this matter. There were none. Mr. Daniel Frisch, architect, was present to discuss the project and Atty. James Kelly represented the owner.Mr. Frisch showed the commission some photos of the barn and commented that it was in great peril. He noted that at a preliminary discussion in March, the project had been well received by the commission. He said his inspiration for the barn came from villas in Italy where the living area is in the cellar. The entire orientation of living will be toward the back. From the road, there will be as little change as possible. Behind the large sliding barn doors will be windows framed in painted steel. The cupola, what is left of it, is in storage and will be restored and placed back on the roof of the barn.
Mr. Frisch showed photos and reviewed plans for the farmhouse. He said it is exciting work to save this barn and farmhouse and their intent is to do a first class job. The farmhouse will become the accessory dwelling and be rebuilt as a 2-bedroom guest house. The frame and foundation are both good. The porch will be replaced. The residents asked Mr. Frisch some questions:
Resident: Will the owner live here?
Mr. Frisch: No. He loves the area and saw an opportunity to save the barn and property.Resident: The owner is not going to live on the property, but is saving the property. Is the owner a developer?
Mr. Frisch: No.Resident: Is this a spec house?
Mr. Frisch: I consider that a pejorative term.Resident: Go over materials you intend to use. Can any existing materials be used?
Mr. Frisch: The barn will have a shake roof, red vertical siding, as original. It will be put back largely as you see it. The old frame can be used, but not the old siding. The farmhouse will have cedar shingles, new clapboard siding and new windows.Resident: Are you planning a swimming pool?
Mr. Frisch: Yes. It will not be visible from the public way.Resident: Not counting easements, how many acres go with this property?
Attorney Kelly: Under 4 acres.Mr. Kerr asked if there were any comments or questions from the commissioners. Mr. Smith asked about the low voltage lights along the driveway. Mr. Frisch said they have motion detectors so the lights go on when cars drive past. Mr. Smith noted the parking area and asked about the floodlight on the eave. Mr. Frisch replied the floodlight was just for safety at the steps.
Mr. Kerr asked Mr. Frisch to explain the window treatments again. Mr. Frisch said the steel windows are used a lot now. They are energy compliant and the large barn doors will be closed over them when not in use.
Resident: Will the barn doors be automated?
Mr. Frisch: No, but they will roll easily.Resident: Is privacy an issue?
Mr. Frisch: Yes. That’s why it is living space and the bedrooms are on the lower level.Resident: What will show when the doors are open?
Mr. Frisch: A giant living room and a beautifully reconstructed barn. The way to save this barn is to make it a residence and a home needs windows.Mr. Kerr asked if there were other options for the railing; a pattern more in keeping with that period. Mr. Frisch said the railing is necessary because of the 9ft drop from the balcony. He said glass would be too modern. Picket would be an option, but he does not like that – it would appear too much like a solid wall. One resident stated – I think what you’ve done is wonderful. The railing won’t be that visible.
The members discussed the stonework. Mrs. Boyer commented it is really important that the stone used be the right size and color and not end up looking like most walls that have been put up lately. Mrs. Mills suggested photos or samples be brought in. Mr. Frisch said the owner lives in New Preston and has a wonderful stone mason.
Resident: Our concern is the type of stone you use. Try and get as close as possible to typical fieldstone walls and rubble foundation.
Resident: We restored a house on Calhoun Street and used stone from New Preston. It matched the original stone foundation – it did make a difference.
Mrs. Mills: The hill drops down from the public way. I’m not sure how much of the stonework will be seen.
Resident: Our concern is, that it not look suburban.Attorney Kelly asked if it would be possible to provide a photo of what the stonework will look like. Mr. Kerr said in our short time-line, photos will do fine. Mr. Frisch commented that he is worried about this project. He said he hopes the community gets behind it to keep the project moving forward. The structures are in peril and the longer it takes, enthusiasm wanes. Also, if the barn were to fall down, the cost to restore would be a lot more. He appealed to HDC and the community for extra awareness.
Mrs. Boyer said she is not totally enamored of those big windows in front, because a future owner may decide to leave the barn doors open all the time. She asked if there might be a way of not allowing the doors to open all the way. Mr. Frisch said the windows are in response to the large barn doors. The idea is to let natural light in during the day.
One of the residents asked if HDC requires an owner to appear in person. Attorney Kelly replied – no, they can have a representative. He added, this owner is an LLC and I am his representative. The owners have lived in town for years and have always loved this property and wanted to have a hand in preserving it, if possible.
Mr. Kerr noted the Chairman, Ms. Gilchrist, was absent and asked the members if they wanted to have a contingency vote or continue the Public Hearing for Ms. Gilchrist to be able to take part in the vote next month. Mr. Chute suggested they could vote for approval and reserve the right to see the stonework. He did not think they should delay the vote. The other commissioners agreed.
Resident: I would like to thank the owners for taking on this project. I live on Calhoun Street and have seen these buildings falling down. I’m grateful they are taking care of this.
Resident: As a neighbor, I think the sensitive issues have all been aired. I’m willing to trust the Commission to do the right thing.
Mr. Kerr asked if there were any further questions or comments from the members or residents. There were none.
MOTION:
To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Elbow Properties, LLC, 110 Calhoun Street, for restoration and reconstruction of the barn and farmhouse.
By Mr. Tilden, seconded by Mrs. Mills and passed 5-0.Mr. Kerr closed the Public Hearing at 8:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded and is available in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Kerr called the meeting to order at 9:00PM. He seated the members and Alternate Mill for Ms. Gilchrist and Alternate Tilden for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
Elbow Properties, LLC /110 Calhoun Street /Restoration and reconstruction of barn and farmhouse.MOTION:
To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Elbow Properties, LLC, 110 Calhoun Street, for restoration and reconstruction of the barn and farmhouse; subject to subsequent approval of exterior lighting and all stonework. Pictures or examples of lighting must be submitted. The origin of the materials used for the stonework, the design of the stonework, and samples of work done by the contractor are to be submitted. Work will proceed according to the outlines for site work, barn and guest house and per drawings dated 4/1/10 by Daniel Frisch Architect, P.C. This work is to be completed by April 19, 2011; or else this approval shall be void.
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.Mrs. Mills left the meeting.
Consideration of the Minutes
The 3/15/10 minutes were accepted as amended:
Pg.3, Par.4, Line 1: Handicap access…..MOTION:
To accept the 3/15/10 minutes as amended.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda.
a. HDC website.
By Mr. Kerr, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.a. The members briefly discussed the HDC website.
Proofreading needs to be finished. Mr. Chute volunteered himself and Mrs. Chute to do this job. All were in favor.MOTION:
To authorize Mr. and Mrs. Chute to proofread the HDC website information and then notify Mr. Talbot.
By Mr. Tilden, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.MOTION:
To adjourn the meeting.
By Mr. Chute.Mr. Kerr adjourned the meeting at 9:25PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: February 25, 2010 March 15, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Tilden
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Ms. Canning, Mr. Frisch, Atty. KellyREGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 7:40PM and seated the members.
Other Business
Elbow Properties, LLC /110 Calhoun Street /Preliminary discussion.
Atty. James Kelly was at the meeting to represent Elbow Properties, LLC. Their architect, Daniel Frisch was there to present the project to the members. Mr. Talbot recused himself from this discussion.Mr. Frisch introduced himself to the Commission and told the members he has done a lot of landmark work in New York City. He presented a model of the proposed barn, some photos of the barn and farmhouse along with outlines of work to be done on each building. He stated the owners want to conserve these historic buildings. They are worth saving. The buildings have been stabilized to avoid further damage and will be restored as close to original as possible.
Barn. Mr. Frisch said the barn needs to be taken down in order to build it back up. The plan is to disassemble it and store as many parts as possible for use in rebuilding. The barn will become the main structure. The streetscape will remain the same but they intend to build one full story under the barn where the bedrooms will be located. Street level will be for living/dining area.
Farmhouse. Mr. Frisch explained they do not want to take the farmhouse down but intend to restore the Greek Revival exterior. The house will become the accessory building and serve as guest house and pool house. Mr. Frisch said they will try to make everything as non-invasive as possible: cars will be hidden and the swimming pool will be concealed. The cars will not be enclosed; just hidden from view. Ms. Canning, a resident of Calhoun-Ives Historic District, asked if the pool would be visible from the road. Mr. Frisch replied it will not be visible.
Ms. Canning asked if the owners intend to keep the large barn doors open when they are there. Mr. Frisch replied they may keep them shut because of traffic, but he cannot say for certain because he does not know how much use the barn will get. He did comment that the focus is oriented toward the view at the back of the property. He said most likely this will be a summer house. Ms. Canning said she was representing the neighbors who could not be at the meeting tonight, and observed that a lot of attention will be paid to this project as it moves forward.
Ms. Gilchrist said from what she can tell, this is a very imaginative and creative way of saving this structure. She said some changes are going to have to be made and this is a well conceived one. It becomes an adaptive reuse project which is a preservation concept.
Ms. Gilchrist asked about fencing. Mr. Frisch said he did not anticipate any fencing. Barn windows - Mr. Frisch said they are all industrial steel and glass. Ms. Gilchrist commented the windows are nicely proportioned and not pretending to be a house. Roof – Mr. Frisch said the roof will be shake and the cupola must be reconstructed. He observed the economics of the project are daunting.
Mr. Smith remarked that Mr. Frisch has been very clear that the ideal here might be financially impossible. He asked Mr. Frisch about the alternatives. Mr. Frisch replied there are none, but said the owner is dedicated to doing this right. Ms. Gilchrist said there has been a lot of scrutiny regarding this property because it is such a prominent landmark in the district. She said she hopes this will be a turning point for the property.
Ms. Gilchrist asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments regarding the barn or farmhouse. There were none. Mr. Kerr told Mr. Frisch he thought this would be received in a positive way at a public hearing. Mr. Chute said the district was lucky to have a buyer and architect so dedicated to restoring this property. Mr. Smith commented that these new owners will keep this property from going in the direction it’s been going for so long.
Election of Officers:
Mr. Talbot was seated again. After a brief discussion, the members decided to elect the same officers for the coming year.MOTION:
To elect the following Historic District Commission officers for 2010: Ms. Gilchrist – Chairman, Mr. Kerr – Vice Chairman, and Mr. Talbot – Secretary. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Kerr and passed 5-0.Handicap Ramps:
Mr. Kerr recused himself from this discussion. The Church does have access at present, but the Commissioners were of the opinion that what they presented with their application was inappropriate. Mr. Smith noted that the Commission has no details that the Church has been examining any alternatives. All the members agreed they are looking forward to seeing a revised submission.Mr. Talbot said he would contact the Connecticut Historic Trust and ask them about rules concerning ADA and if they could override a decision by HDC. In addition, he will call Mr. Werkhoven and find out if they are working on a new design or possibly, setting a meeting to come up with a collaborative effort that everyone can be happy with.
Possible Speaker:
The members discussed the idea of having a member of the Bar Association come and discuss HDC issues with them. Mr. Kerr suggested giving him a copy of the Rules and Regs and also the Guidelines to familiarize himself with what HDC is all about. Mr. Smith thought it would be a good idea if the various commissions had a closer working relationship. All agreed this would be a good thing and will bring a list of questions to put together at the next meeting.Outdoor Lighting:
Mrs. Mills commented that there are still lights in the trees across from her house, but they have not been on lately. Mr. Talbot said he does not have an issue with outdoor lights on The Green, but is more concerned with the two rural historic districts. He wondered if it would be possible to put a ban on outdoor lighting in the Calhoun-Ives and Nettleton Hollow Districts. Mr. Kerr suggested that would be difficult to do. HDC should just evaluate on a case-by-case basis and the Commission does have a right to say, no. Mrs. Mills commented that some landscaping lights can be distracting as you drive past. The members discussed the possibility of adding something to the HDC Rules and Regs. Ms. Gilchrist commented that the problems HDC has with outdoor lighting, are created when people do things without getting the proper approvals. Mr. Talbot read from a letter he wrote to Zoning a few months prior, asking that HDC be notified about any lighting, signs or other activities approved by the Zoning Commission in historic districts.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda.
A. Discussion of HDC website.
By Ms. Gilchrist, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.A. Website:
The members discussed a few minor corrections. Mr. Talbot said the new website should be posted in a few days. Mr. Kerr gave Mr. Talbot a copy of some information that he would like to see added to the website. They said, in effect, that municipal historic district commissions exist because they are authorized to operate by the Connecticut State General Statutes, and that they are a full fledged land use commission of the Town, similar in power, to any other land use commission.MOTION:
To accept the 2/8/10 minutes as written.
By Mr. Kerr, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.MOTION:
To adjourn the meeting.
By Mr. Talbot.Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 9:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: February 20, 2010 February 8, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mr. Tilden
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Klemm, Mr. Tittmann, Mr. Ullram, Mr. Powell, Ms. Canning, Ms. Bishop-WrabelPUBLIC HEARINGS
Klemm(cont’d) /11 Ives Road /Reconstruct silo.
Mr. Kerr reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter R. Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to reconstruct his silo. Mr. Talbot recused himself. Mr. Kerr seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Peter Klemm and his architect, Mr. Harold Tittmann, were both present.
Mr. Klemm said nothing has changed. The need to rebuild the silo is pretty self explanatory; it is about to collapse.
Mr. Kerr asked the members if they had any questions. Mr. Smith asked about the roof. Mr. Klemm said the existing roof is asphalt and will be changed to a standing seam metal roof. Farmers have told him that metal roofs are timeless. Mrs. Mills said the metal roof on her silo has been terrific.
Ms. Gilchrist commented on how very pleased she is that the silo is being restored. The members agreed and decided they were ready to vote on this application.
MOTION:
To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter R. Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to reconstruct the silo.
By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.Mr. Kerr closed the Public Hearing at 7:48PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded and is available in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Revisions to previously approved addition plans.
Mr. Kerr opened the Public Hearing at 7:50PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to revise previously approved plans for an addition on their house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 1/31/10. Mr. Talbot recused himself. Mr. Kerr seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Peter Klemm and his architect, Mr. Harold Tittmann were both present.
Mr. Kerr asked Mr. Klemm and Mr. Tittmann to explain the changes they are asking for on the addition. Mr. Tittmann said they are proposing:
1) Change to the windows on front elevation. The approved plans for the addition show three windows together. The proposed plan shows two windows separated by clapboards.
Mrs. Boyer asked if that will be the only change in this view. Yes.
2) Change to the mudroom elevation. The members looked over the approved and proposed drawings.
Mr. Tittmann said the mudroom will maintain the same footprint but will now be enclosed. Mr. Chute said he thought that made sense. Mr. Smith agreed. What was going to be a porch will now be inside. Mr. Kerr asked what type of door is in the proposed drawings. Mr. Tittmann replied it is an 8-lite French door with lites on either side. Mrs. Boyer commented the proposed drawing shows a lot of glass for an historic district house. The members briefly discussed the windows. Mr. Tittmann said he did not want to reduce the amount of light coming into the room. He said there is not a tremendous increase in glass than already exists. The drawing just makes it look like more glass. Ms. Gilchrist agreed with Mrs. Boyer. She would prefer to see a less uniform stretch of glass for the integrity of the building. Mrs. Boyer said she did not like the side windows on either side of the door. All agreed. Mr. Klemm stated the door is not visible from any part of the road. Mr. Kerr asked if the mudroom runs the length of the addition. Yes. Mr. Smith asked if he is correct in sensing that the members think the six large windows don’t fit with the rest of the house. Ms. Gilchrist said she does not know how much would be seen from the road, but she objects. Mr. Tittmann stated the amount of glass is minimal. Mr. Chute said he likes what Mr. Tittmann has done but he does not like the side windows on each side of the door. They don’t fit; too suburban. Mr. Tilden commented that if the door with its lites is not visible, then it is not an issue. Mr. Chute asked how important those lites are to the project. Mr. Klemm replied they are important to let as much light as possible into the room. Mr. Kerr said the commission could take the time to do a site inspection to see what would be visible from the road.Mr. Tilden suggested that if Mr. Klemm and Mr. Tittmann were comfortable with removing the side lites from the door and separating the windows with clapboards(instead of being grouped together) the view would basically look like what was approved already. He asked the members what they thought. Mr. Kerr said he liked the windows separated. It is an improvement. The commissioners agreed. They would like to see a new drawing showing these changes.
Mr. Kerr asked the members if they were ready to close the Public Hearing and vote, or would they like to continue the Public Hearing in order to have time to drive by the property to check out visibility from the road and to receive a new drawing showing the door without side lites, clapboards underneath the windows(instead of panels) and clapboards between the windows. Mr. Tilden asked the other members if it would be ok with them if Mr. Klemm and Mr. Tittmann agreed to these changes regardless of the view from the road. Mr. Smith stated that the commission could approve the application with certain stipulations noted in the motion, describing what was approved and requiring a new drawing for the record to be vetted by one of the members. After a brief discussion, the members decided they were ready to vote.
MOTION:
To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to revise previously approved addition plans.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.Mr. Kerr closed the Public Hearing at 8:25PM. This Public Hearing was recorded and is available in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
The Gunnery /99 Green Hill Road /Two additions to The Schoolhouse.
Mr. Kerr opened the Public Hearing at 8:27PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by The Gunnery, 99 Green Hill Road, to construct two additions to the Schoolhouse. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 1/31/10. Mr. Smith recused himself. Mr. Kerr seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Smith. Mr. Robert Ullram, Business Manager for The Gunnery and Mr. Robert Powell, architect from Wieber, Powell & Grunigen, were both present.
Mr. Ullram introduced himself and Mr. Powell and asked Mr. Powell to describe the project. Mr. Powell said the plan consists of two additions to the school; the new entry vestibule and stone terrace added to the north side of the building will not be visible from the public way. On the south side, they are planning a two story addition, approx. 1000sqft which will be partially visible from Route 199. Mr. Powell stated the new addition will have the same exterior finish, the same roof and the same windows as the existing building.
Mr. Talbot asked if there would be any exterior lighting or generators. Mr. Powell replied that there would not be any exterior security lighting – just the same standard door light used elsewhere on the campus. He said they do not over-light the campus. Mr. Powell said there are no air conditioners to require a generator. He noted there is a machine room for the elevator inside the addition.
Mr. Kerr asked if there were any comments from the public. No. He asked if there were additional questions or comments from the commission. There were none. The members agreed they were ready to vote on this application.
MOTION:
To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by The Gunnery, 99 Green Hill Road, to construct two additions to the School House building.
By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.Mr. Kerr closed the Public Hearing at 8:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded and is available in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Kerr called the meeting to order at 9:00AM. Mr. Smith recused himself from The Gunnery vote. Mr. Kerr seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
The Gunnery /99 Green Hill Road /Two additions to The Schoolhouse.
Mr. Talbot commented they have done a good job illustrating their project and it will have minimal impact on the public way. All agreed.
MOTION:
To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by The Gunnery, 99 Green Hill Road, to construct an entry vestibule and stone terrace on the north side of the School House building and a two story addition on the south side per site drawings, sheets 1 thru 4, all dated 1/7/10, as prepared by Smith & Co. and architectural drawings prepared by Wieber Powell & Grunigen, A1 thru A3 dated 1/21/10 and 2 sketches of School House north and south elevations rec’d 1/20/10 plus 1 sheet of photos of all 4 elevations not dated. This work is to be completed by February 8, 2011; or else this approval shall be void.
By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0. At this point Mr. Talbot recused himself from both of the Klemm votes and Mr. Smith was reseated. Mrs. Boyer was seated for Mr. Talbot.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Reconstruct silo.
MOTION:
To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter R. Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to rebuild the silo according to the Barn/Silo Drawing #1 by Tittmann Design & Consulting and the Silo Reconstruction Drawing #2 by Godwin Inc; both dated December 2, 2009. The silo will be reconstructed exactly as the original with the exception of a standing seam metal roof. This work is to be completed by February 8, 2011; or else this approval shall be void.
By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Revisions to previously approved addition plans.
The members were in agreement to vote on this application. Mr. Kerr suggested they take a five minute break in order to list the conditions of approval that have to be stipulated to in the motion. After the break they were ready to vote.
MOTION:
To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to make the following revisions to plans for an addition previously approved on 9/15/08: 1)Change windows on front elevation, and 2)Change mudroom elevation as shown on revised plans #A-02,03,05&06,(by Tittmann Design & Consulting, received 1/21/10) with revisions to mudroom plans as follows: replace the side lights next to the door and the panels under the windows with clapboarding and install an entry light consistent with what has been previously approved. This work is to be completed by February 8, 2011; or else this approval shall be void.
By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Mr. Talbot was seated again.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION:
To accept the 1/11/10 minutes as written.
By Ms. Gilchrist, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Mr. Talbot abstaining. He did not read them.MOTION:
To include subsequent business not already posted on the agenda.
A. Discussion of HDC website.
By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.
HDC WEBSITE:
Mr. Talbot showed the members a mock-up of all the information he had gathered together for the website. He said he would take the changes made by Mr. Chute and incorporate them with the information he has gathered. There are “before and after” photos of houses, various maps and studies that have been done on the Historic Districts. Mr. Talbot asked the members who can, to come to his office on Thursday to have a look at the final copy. It is scheduled to go on the website on Friday.MOTION:
To accept work done for the HDC website by Mr. Talbot.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.MOTION:
To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.Mr. Kerr adjourned the meeting at 9:45PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: January 24, 2010 January 11, 2010
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Kerr, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills, Mr. Tilden
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. David Owen, Mr. Bob Papsin, Ms. Susan Bishop-WrabelAt this point, no one was present to represent the applicant for the Public Hearing, so Ms. Gilchrist decided to change the order and hold the Regular Meeting first.
MOTION:
To reverse the agenda order and conduct the Regular Meeting before the Public Hearing.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.REGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 7:35PM, seated the members and Alternate Tilden for Mr. Talbot.
David Owen, Zoning Commission Chairman, came to discuss outdoor lighting in residential districts. He told the members about a recent enforcement issue regarding lighting with St. John’s Church; noting that one of their inspirations was the Congregational Church. Mr. Owen said he would like to encourage HDC to consider the anachronism of that sort of lighting. It is totally unsuited to an historic, residential district. He went on to say that Washington was much darker 25 years ago. When the power went out in town a few years ago, it was amazing how many stars were visible; astonishing how different the skies looked.
Mr. Chute commented that lighting on the Congregational Church steeple was there before the Washington Green Historic District. He said the multi color effect was caused when Mr. Wright replaced two bulbs with different types of bulbs. Mr. Chute offered to call Mr. Wright and ask him to install the correct bulbs.
Mr. Owen said the lighting on the Congregational Church also precedes Zoning Regulations regarding lighting, but in terms of the impact on other people, it is great.
Mr. Tilden stated that Mr. Talbot had been very clear in limiting the commission’s discussion regarding St. John’s lighting because Zoning was already involved, so they stayed out of Zoning’s area. HDC dealt with 1) the appropriateness, or how they looked, and 2) the way the lights were installed and the fact that they were less likely to cast light where it was not needed.
Mr. Owen said the commission might consider taking a harder stand on outdoor lighting. Nothing can be done about pre-existing lighting but some relatively small things could be done. He said Zoning does not allow lighting in trees now. Increasingly in town, lights are in trees for the enjoyment of passersby, not for people inside the houses. It’s the equivalent of speakers in trees playing music you think the neighbors will enjoy. Mr. Smith said The Gunnery has installed outdoor lights for student protection as well as for lighting their way at night. He noted inexpensive shields could be installed on the floodlights. Mr. Owen commented that almost everybody uses more wattage than is necessary.
Mr. Kerr said he thought St. John’s Church made a restrained presentation with their lighting consultant. Mr. Owen said the Church would be allowed security lighting but they chose decorative lighting instead, which is a Zoning violation. Ms. Gilchrist commented that other churches in town have outdoor lights, but agreed with Mr. Owen, there are too many. Mr. Owen commented – little by little we have given something up for something that is less beautiful. The members thanked Mr. Owen for his time and comments.
The members continued a brief discussion on outdoor lighting:
Mr. Tilden: I liked his thoughts.
Ms. Gilchrist: This is something that has crept up on us. It is a big, powerful, intrusive thing. No one has tried to control it before now.
Mr. Chute: I have no objection to what they (St. John’s) are doing. They told us this would not light the sky. And we said we were going to review the intensity.
Mrs. Mills: The lights are still on in Mr. James’ trees but are not as bright. Safety was the point he made to us when he came before the commission.
Mr. Chute: I like the lights on the Congregational Church. Even neighbors have offered to donate lights when they burn out because they also like the lights which are part of the iconic nature of the Green.
Mr. Smith: We’re supposed to, in his view, preserve the historic nature of the Green which means no lights. But people want to celebrate what they have. It is an issue we are being faced with.
Ms. Gilchrist: The Green is a very different neighborhood than Calhoun-Ives.
Mrs. Mills: Calhoun-Ives was hoping to preserve the open space.
Mr. Kerr: Do we have jurisdiction over illumination?
Ms. Gilchrist: The Regulations are not specific. We can continue this discussion another time.
Ms. Gilchrist asked if there were any comments from the public. Mr. Papsin said he thought it was important to stay with the Plan of Development. He said he is not opposed to outdoor lighting to provide security, but it should be kept at a minimum in order to preserve the rural character of the town. Ms. Gilchrist said that is what Zoning is trying to do. She said St. John’s had outdoor lighting before the historic district. Their proposed lighting will be better than the old floodlights because the new bulbs will not be visible. Mr. Kerr said the proposed lighting for St. John’s will be far more discreet because it will only cast a glow up the walls, but he is not certain they are going to implement the new lighting.
Ms. Bishop-Wrabel said she was attending the meeting as an interested citizen concerned with historic preservation.
PUBLIC HEARING
Ms. Gilchrist opened the Public Hearing at 8:11PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter R. Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to reconstruct the silo. She read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 1/3/10. Ms. Gilchrist seated the members and Alternate Tilden for Mr. Talbot.
There was no one present to represent this application. After a brief discussion the commission determined it would be best to continue this Public Hearing to the February meeting.
MOTION:
To continue until the next regularly scheduled meeting on February 8, 2010, the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter R. Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to reconstruct silo.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.Ms. Gilchrist continued the Public Hearing at 8:16PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded and is available in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
MOTION:
To reopen the Regular Meeting.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.The meeting was reopened at 8:18PM. Ms. Gilchrist asked if there was any other business to add to the agenda. No.
Ms. Gilchrist read e-mail correspondence from Mr. Chip James, 175 Calhoun Street. The original e-mail is in the Calhoun-Ives District discussions file and a copy is filed with these minutes.
MOTION:
To accept the 12/14/09 minutes as written.
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 8:25PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
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