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Posted: December 27, 2007 December 17, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Gilchrist
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. White, Mr. Charles, Mr. S. Nettleton, Mr. T. Nettleton, Mr. Franzen
PUBLIC HEARING
White /6 Parsonage Lane /Extend Certificate of Appropriateness to build garage/studio addition.
Mr. Arturi opened the Public Hearing at 7:30PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/26/07 by Edmund and Zemma White, 6 Parsonage Lane, to extend an existing C of A to build a garage/studio addition. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 12/9/07. Mr. Arturi seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Ms. Gilchrist. Mrs. White was present.
Mr. Arturi asked Mrs. White if they are proposing any changes to the plans previously approved by the Commission. Mrs. White replied there will not be any changes to the approved plans. She explained their project has been delayed due to existing litigation.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if they had any questions or comments. There were none. The members were in agreement to extend the C of A.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted November 26, 2007, by Edmund and Zemma White, 6 Parsonage Lane, to extend an existing Certificate of Appropriateness to build a garage/studio addition. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Arturi closed the Public Hearing at 7:40PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:41PM and seated the members and Alternate Rives for Ms. Gilchrist.
White /6 Parsonage Lane /Extend Certificate of Appropriateness to build garage/studio addition
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted November 26, 2007, by Edmund and Zemma White, 6 Parsonage Lane, to extend an existing Certificate of Appropriateness to build a garage/studio addition, previously approved 11/13/06. This work is to be completed by December 17, 2008; or else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 11/13/07 minutes as corrected:
Pg.6, Par.5, Line 2;.....They would not object to a bed and breakfast if the Sunny Ridge Road driveway is removed. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Other Business
MOTION: To amend the agenda to add 132 Calhoun Street for a discussion on building a new house. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Canning /119 Calhoun Street /easement.
Mr. Charles, of Open Space Equity, was present to represent Mrs. Canning. He had suggestions for wording a resolution regarding the easement and gave each member a copy.
Mr. Arturi: What the commission does will not effect whether Mrs. Canning gets a tax deduction.
Mr. Charles: .....but you are interested in fields and farm operations as well as structures. The viewshed is important.
Mr. Arturi: It seems to me we don't need to do this.
Mr. Charles: This is just another layer as to why they are saving this field.
Mr. Arturi: This district was originated to protect not only buildings, but rural open space - so it's already there.
Mr. Charles: Somebody could build in that field.
Mr. Arturi: Not if she puts a conservation easement on the field.
Mr. Talbot: The positive thing is; a conservation easement supports our goals in that district.
Mr. Arturi: No one disagrees. Does HDC want to get into the practice of doing resolutions?
Mr. Talbot: It is to protect open space. I have no problem if it encourages others to follow suit.
Mr. Arturi: I have no objection either - it's just unnecessary. It will have no legal effect whatsoever.
Mr. Arturi asked if any of the members wanted to make a motion to adopt the resolution. There was no response. Mr. Smith was asked his opinion of the resolution. He stated he would like the resolution to come across in simpler, more direct language and should be a little more explicit. In that district we need to preserve open space. The members agreed in general with the substance of the resolution, but wish to re-write it.
Mr. Arturi said it could be as simple as: "We applaud Mrs. Canning for undertaking to do this and it is consistent with goals the Commission has for that district."
Mr. Charles said they would like to have the resolution by the end of this year. The commissioners concluded the resolution could not be re-written in this meeting. Mr. Arturi said he thinks this discussion is enough. Mr. Smith agreed - the minutes make it abundantly clear what the members think of this donation. He will have the resolution for the January meeting.
132 Calhoun Street /preliminary discussion - new house
Mr. Tom Nettleton, his son Shaun Nettleton, and their architect, Mr. Jack Franzen were present. Mr. Franzen displayed a site plan and house plans for the commission to study. He pointed out that there are approximately 3acres in a conservation easement on the southerly portion of the property. They are proposing to locate the house in the northwest corner of the property near Calhoun Street.
The plans show a main house(approx 6400sqft), terrace, swimming pool; and behind the main house, a small guest/pool house(approx 800sqft). The siding is to be shingle, with red cedar shingles on the roof.
Mr. Talbot asked how they decided to use shingles in this historic district. Mr. Franzen replied that a Rossiter book, along with other Connecticut architects of that era had influenced him. Mr. Chute explained that there are three historic districts in town. The Washington Green district is the old original part of town where a lot of the more formal Rossiter houses were built. The Calhoun-Ives district preserves the rural farms of the area and the houses are simpler.
Mr. Tom Nettleton said The Green seems more formal and they are going for a warmer look. He asked if the commission would prefer clapboards.
Mr. Arturi commented the proposed house looks too much like it belongs in another part of town. Simpler is better. He suggested they take some time and look at some older homes in the district. He feels the size and style of that structure, which will be so close to the road, is not appropriate to the district. Mr. Arturi noted that the commission had recently approved a house over 6000sqft at 128 Calhoun Street, however it sits so far back from the road it will not be visible.
Mrs. Mills said the house looks formal for Calhoun Street. Mrs. Rives asked if it could be simplified and made to look smaller.
Mr. Tom Nettleton said they are trying to keep the size down. Perhaps a couple of rooms could be cut down. The members asked about the number of bedrooms. There are to be five in the main house and two in the guest house.
Mr. Smith asked if the gambrel roof could be simplified. Mr. Talbot replied it could be. He added, if a 6000sqft house is needed, a gambrel roof is a good solution.
Mr. Franzen thanked the commission for their helpful comments and suggestions and said they would go back to the drawing board.
MOTION: To approve the HDC Calendar for 2008. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mrs. Rives led the members in a formal thank you to Mr. Arturi for the great job he did as Chairman! All agreed he will be missed.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 9:00PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
Posted: November 28, 2007 November 13, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Mills
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Tittmann, Mr. DiBenedetto, Mr. Diller, Mr. Dutton, Mr. Treadway, Ms. Canning, Mr. Boling
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Laffont /128 Calhoun Street /Lighting plan, chimney and barn details.
Ms. Gilchrist opened the Public Hearing at 7:37PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/24/07 by Frederic and Dominic Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, for changes to chimney and barn details and a lighting plan. She read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 11/4/07. Ms. Gilchrist seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Chute and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot. Mr. and Mrs. Laffont were represented by their architect, Mr. Tittmann.
Lighting: In addition to the brochure, Mr. Tittmann brought one of the copper lights they intend to use along the driveway. The members looked at the lighting plan. The lights are to be installed on cedar posts, (18" to 20" tall), after the first curve in the driveway, and will only be on one side of the driveway. The lights will not be on all the time. They turn on and off automatically.
Mr. Tittmann also brought the "type B" light intended for use on the back of the house - also to turn on and off automatically. He stated this fixture may not generate enough light since it just has a 20w halogen bulb. If that is the case, he will need to make another choice and come back to the Commission for approval. He suggested the members could meet at the house after it is built and the lights installed, to make a decision on final approval.
Barn/Garage Eave Detail: The members looked over the new revised drawings. All agreed the changes were an improvement. The eaves were smaller and simpler than the original drawing and the window caps have been eliminated. Mr. Tittmann said he tried to make it less busy.
Chimney: Next the commission looked at the new chimney drawings. Mr. Tittmann explained he brought the chimney height down 6" and simplified it by giving it a straight, simple line. All agreed it looks great.
Ms. Gilchrist asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. No. She asked if anyone else present had any comments in support of or against the application. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Frederic and Dominique Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, for changes to chimney and barn details and a lighting plan. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 4-0.
Ms. Gilchrist closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
DiBenedetto /214 Calhoun Street /Construct utility barn
Ms. Gilchrist opened the Public Hearing at 7:57PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/25/07 by Anthony and Eileen DiBenedetto, 214 Calhoun Street, to construct a utility barn. She read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 11/4/07. Ms. Gilchrist seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Boyer for Mr. Chute. Mr. DiBenedetto was present along with his architect, Mr. Erich Diller.
Mr. DiBenedetto pointed out on the site plan that the barn will be constructed at the back of the property. He explained that since they recently dismantled the bank barn, this new barn is needed to store equipment and manage the orchard. He noted the back of the barn is near Baldwin Hill Road, but there are no doors on the back so all activity will be at the front, away from the road.
The barn will have a simple vertical cedar siding and a wood shake roof. There will be just simple lights by the doors since there is no activity after dark. Ms. Gilchrist said she would prefer to see a regular wood shingle roof as opposed to shakes.
Mrs. Rives asked if there was a water source nearby. Mr. DiBenedetto replied they have a new well near the barn. There is not much water consumption.
Mrs. Boyer asked if the driveway from Calhoun Street to the barn will continue to be dirt. Mr. DiBenedetto replied they are concerned about mud and intend to use Grass Pavers. He explained that these 'honeycomb' grids (into which gravel, dirt and grass are added) provide a durable grass pavement for driving over rather than installing blacktop. Mr. Diller said the Grass Pavers are practical, functional and appropriate for this purpose. He gave a description sheet for the file.
Ms. Gilchrist asked if there were any additional plans for fencing or other structures. Mr. DiBenedetto said in three or four years they would like to add a stable. Ms. Gilchrist asked if they were working on plans for the bank barns. Mr. DiBenedetto replied the barns need to come down and they would like to rebuild them, but bring them farther back from the road.
The members asked about power to the barn. Mr. DiBenedetto said they are looking into bringing the power lines in from Baldwin Hill Road since it is so close. Ms. Gilchrist asked how tall the electric transformer would be and if they are considering a cover of some kind. Mr. DiBenedetto replied the transformers are 30inches high and green. He said they are usually less noticeable if not covered.
Ms. Gilchrist asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. No. She asked if anyone else present had comments in support of or against the application. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Anthony and Eileen DiBenedetto, 214 Calhoun Street, to construct a utility barn. By Ms. Gilchrist, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 4-0.
Ms. Gilchrist closed the Public Hearing at 8:10PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 8:11PM and seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Boyer for Mr. Chute.
Pending Business
Laffont /128 Calhoun Street /Lighting plan, chimney and barn details.
Mr. Smith commented that the lighting plan should be something the commission continues to look at step by step. Mrs. Boyer noted there are more lights to be considered. Mr. Tittmann agreed. He wants to make sure the wattage for the lights on the back of the house is sufficient - if not, he will come back with another choice.
Mrs. Boyer asked if the members should specify in the motion, a maximum height on the driveway lights, since they are 17inches tall and are to be placed on cedar posts. All agreed that was a good idea. Mr. Smith noted the suggestion was no more than 3ft tall. Mr. Tittmann said that would be reasonable. Mrs. Rives commented the driveway lights were very lovely, but not rural looking. They should be simpler. Ms. Gilchrist said they would not be seen from the road. Mr. Tittmann said the driveway lights will be 700ft from the road.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/24/07, by Frederic and Dominic Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, for the simplified chimney design on the main building as shown on the drawing marked "chimney details" and the revised eaves of the outbuildings as shown on the drawing marked "garage floor plan and elevations" (both drawings submitted with the application); and to approve the proposed site plan showing location and design of lighting fixtures (rec'd 10/24/07). Additionally, the driveway lights, type 'A' #Scout-GD-1504CU, shall be mounted on cedar posts so that their height, including the light fixture, is at a maximum of 36" high. This approval also includes the type 'B' lights, as marked on the above plan, subject to review after installation. This work is to be completed by November 13, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
DiBenedetto /214 Calhoun Street /Construct utility barn.
Mr. Smith stated at that distance, the design fits. He agrees with Ms. Gilchrist regarding the roof. He has no issues.
Mrs. Rives said bringing the power in from Baldwin Hill Road makes sense. Mr. Smith agreed it is both aesthetic and practical.
Mr. Smith noted the commission has always taken driveway plans into consideration. The driveway could be approved at a later date since it was not part of this application. Mr. DiBenedetto said he would come back to HDC for approval to finish the driveway. The members all said they did not see any problem with his plans for the driveway.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/25/07, by Anthony and Eileen DiBenedetto, 214 Calhoun Street, to construct a utility barn according to the drawing (rec'd 10/15/07) and the site plan received with the application. The roof shall be clad with cedar shingles. This work is to be completed by November 13, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 10/15/07 minutes as written. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 4-0.
Other Business
MOTION: To add subsequent business not already included on the agenda. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Discussion with residents /10 Sunny Ridge Road
Mr. Richard Dutton and Mr. Charles Treadway, both residents of Sunny Ridge Road, came forward to speak with the commission.
Mr. Treadway listed the items which Mr. Ross had not done properly; the round window, siding, and they noted the berm which he never built.
Mr. Dutton and Mr. Treadway noted there was interest in turning the property into a bed and breakfast. They thought that made sense. There is already a commercial kitchen.
They said the neighbors in the Sunny Ridge Historic District would like to see the focus be on Sunny Ridge Road. In that regard, they would like to see the driveway off Sunny Ridge Road removed and run the stone wall the length of Sunny Ridge Road - it is in bad shape anyway and needs to be rebuilt. The property can be accessed from the existing Nettleton Hollow Road driveway. Mrs. Boyer said she liked the idea of that driveway going away and repairing the stone wall. Ms. Gilchrist said she thought that was a very good solution.
Mr. Smith asked if they would like to see more plantings. Mr. Treadway replied he had no problem with that, but would not ask for it. Mr. Dutton said he would like to see some pine trees planted along Nettleton Hollow Road.
Mr. Smith said he thought any changes to the house should be plainer and simpler and any alterations should also be simpler. Mrs. Boyer said she would like to think about all this until the next meeting.
Mr. Dutton and Mr. Treadway said it would not take a whole lot of money to protect Sunny Ridge Historic District.
The commissioners thanked them for coming and thanked them for their very reasonable suggestions.
Ms. Gilchrist read a letter from Mr. R.D. Aeschliman, 18 Sunny Ridge Road, which echoed the sentiments expressed at this meeting. The letter is filed with these minutes and is in the 11/13/07 folder.
Discussion regarding easement /119 Calhoun Street
Ms. Sandra Canning, 119 Calhoun Street, is interested in easing a 2-3 acre field to the Town. Also present, was Mr. Kelly Boling, Open Space Equity, who has been helping Ms. Canning with the easement process. Mr. Boling wondered if HDC could write a formal resolution in support of this easement.
Ms. Canning commented that she felt it was time to take a principled position regarding the Calhoun-Ives Historic District; which she feels is under stress. This is her effort to take a stand. It is a start. Maybe more residents will follow.
Mrs. Boyer asked why the Town and not Steep Rock. Mr. Boling replied Steep Rock is not abutting the Canning property, whereas, other easements owned by the Town are abutting.
Mr. Smith asked if the field is hayed regularly and would the easement allow haying to continue? Yes. The members asked if the easement fee was like an endowment. Mr. Boling said the fee is for monitoring, which is done by the Conservation Commission.
Ms. Gilchrist said she did not know if HDC had the legal capacity to do a formal resolution, but certainly the entire commission supports it.
Mr. Smith said there is no question that this easement is a benefit. This is so consistent with everything the members say and believe. Ms. Gilchrist stated it supports the mission and goals of the commission.
The members thanked Ms. Canning and Mr. Boling for coming to the meeting. It will be decided by next meeting whether a letter or other supporting document will be appropriate.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Boyer.
Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 9:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
Posted: October 23, 2007 October 15, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. DiBenedetto, Mr. Kilbrith
REGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 7:30PM. She seated the members and seated Alternate Mills for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Arturi.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 9/17/07, 9/19/07 and 9/25/07 minutes as written. By Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Other Business
A. DiBenedetto /214 Calhoun Street /Discussion: Build new utility barn at orchard.
Mr. DiBenedetto handed each member a drawing of the proposed barn(marked rec'd 10/15/07). He said the east elevation would be facing toward the road. Mr. Chute asked where the access would be off of Calhoun Street. On the site plan, Mr. DiBenedetto pointed out two breaks in the stone wall. They will use that access to drive on a "farm road" along another stone wall which separates the orchard from a field. The farm road will not be paved. They just intend to drive over the grass.
Mr. DiBenedetto explained the barn is to be the utility barn for the orchard and to store their farm equipment. He said they just have three full time workers - there is not much activity. He said the barn will have vertical pine siding, left to weather gray. The roof will have wood shingles. The first floor of the barn will be 2600sqft; upstairs will be a little smaller. The first floor will accommodate all the equipment they use. Mr. Chute asked where the sprayer will be cleaned. Mr. DiBenedetto replied they do not use any toxic materials and the sprayer will be cleaned in back of the barn. Mr. Chute asked if there were plans for any more barns. Not at this time. Sometime in the future he would like to have a small horse barn nearby which would be serviced by the same farm road.
Mrs. Rives asked if the cupola was necessary - it seems very fancy. Mr. DiBenedetto said he could put louvers in the cupola(for ventilation), instead of windows. The members agreed the barn would not be seen from the road. Ms. Gilchrist stated the preference would be - no cupola.
Mr. Chute said he thought the barn would give a look of "farm" to the area; appropriate for the district. Ms. Gilchrist asked if any outside lighting is planned. Mr. DiBenedetto said there would just be a couple of simple lights by doorways on the north and west elevations. They will point light downward and will only be on when necessary.
Ms. Gilchrist asked what use the existing barns, across the street, would serve after they are renovated. Mr. DiBenedetto said the barns will be the guest house and the Italianate will be the main house, or vice versa. They have not decided yet. Ms. Gilchrist stated it would be preferable to have the Italianate remain the main dwelling and for the barns to be the guest house and maintain the look of a barn; simple in character. Mr. DiBenedetto said he would like to move the barn complex further back from the road.
Ms. Gilchrist asked if the members had any more comments or questions. They were in agreement with what had been presented so far. Mr. DiBenedetto said the only other thing he might add to his application would be a small shed to cover the electrical transformers.
B. 10 Sunny Ridge Road /Discussion
Mr. Lee Kilbrith introduced himself to the Commission and said he was interested in purchasing the 10 Sunny Ridge Road property and would like to know what needs to be done in order to be in compliance.
Ms. Gilchrist read from a motion for a Certificate of Appropriateness made at a special meeting held on Monday, July 10, 2000:
......to modify the structure at 10 Sunny Ridge Road approved December 13, 1999 as follows: to remove the cupolas. With respect to the other modifications shown on "Amendment Five" such as clapboard siding, dormers, a roofed entrance and a circular window, the Commission agrees that, since they will not be open to view from a public way upon completion of landscaping and screening which achieves the purpose of the plan dated 6/14/00 called "Topographic Survey Prepared for Ross Residence" by Bradford E. Smith & Son, the Commission does not have jurisdiction and neither approves nor denies the modifications. This work is to be completed by July 11, 2001, else this approval shall be null and void.
The members looked over the topographic survey map with Mr. Kilbrith. Ms. Gilchrist commented that the berm was never built and the Certificate of Appropriateness has expired. Mr. Kilbrith said he did not want to build a berm and asked how he could remedy the situation. He agreed the round window could be seen from the road. Also, he would like to live there if a compromise could be reached.
Mr. Chute stated the Commission would be open to hear his presentation. He said they would like to hear his views on a compromise. Mr. Kilbrith said he might be willing to replace the round window but he could not change the dormers. That would ruin the inside; not enough light.
Ms. Gilchrist said the Commission was not in a position to make any decisions tonight.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 8:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: October 13, 2007 September 25, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Tittmann
SPECIAL MEETING
Laffont(cont'd) /128 Calhoun Street /New single family dwelling w/attached guest house, detached garage and inground pool.
Mr. Arturi reconvened the meeting at 7:30PM and seated the members. The purpose of this special meeting is to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 9/4/07, by Frederic and Dominique Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, to build a new single family dwelling with attached guest house, detached two-car garage and inground pool. He noted that no one from the public was present. Mr. Harold Tittmann, architect, represented Mr. and Mrs. Laffont.
Mr. Arturi read a letter from Mary E. Adams, 178 Calhoun Street. She stated in her letter that she feels the character of the district is at a tipping point. She urged the Commission to give careful thought to future building requests and approve this present application only if compatible with the district.
Mr. Tittmann thanked the members for holding this special meeting. He said he would like to clarify what might be visible from the road. The house will not be visible. The chimney tops may be. Mr. Talbot noted that a little more of the house will be visible from the Stuart farm. Ms. Gilchrist said if the barn on the Stuart farm is not salvageable, then much more of the house will be visible from there.
Mr. Tittmann presented two new drawings(marked rec'd 9-25-07). One drawing shows the view from the Stuart farm; the other, a scale drawing of a view from the road without the trees. Mr. Talbot said the scale drawing for distance is helpful. We don't always know what we'll see when the leaves are gone. Clearly, the house is a long way away from the road. Mr. Tittmann said there is a very limited area where the house will be visible from the road.
Mr. Talbot asked Mr. Tittmann if he had discussed with the owners the possibility of trying to reduce the scale of the house. Mr. Tittmann replied he had, but they think it would shrink too much of their usable space. Mr. Talbot said what is likely to be seen from the road are the roof lines, color, a little of the faade and the chimneys.
The members asked about house lights and types of windows. Mr. Tittmann said the house lights have not been selected yet. It is very easy to customize house lights. He will come back to HDC before installing any lights. As for the windows, the smallest size on double-hung windows is 3'x 5'; not overly sized for the scale of the house and neighborhood.
Mrs. Boyer pointed out that chimneys in the rest of the district are much simpler than these. Mr. Smith added, part of the issue is how imposing they look. Mr. Talbot asked if they could be reduced by 1ft. Mr. Tittmann said he would be happy to accommodate with a "straight-up" chimney. The Commission agreed to the change in the chimney.
Ms. Gilchrist asked about the eave detail on the main house and barn. Mr. Tittmann replied the eaves on the main house will remain as shown on the drawing. The barn eaves will be simplified. Mr. Talbot said normally eaves are 5 1/2 " and these are 1ft. He continued, saying that his preference would be to scale down the eaves. If the house were closer to the road, he would be more concerned and ask for modification. The members studied the drawing and photos. Mr. Smith said he did not know where to go with the size of the eaves. He commented that "simpler makes it less noticeable" as in the chimneys.
Ms. Gilchrist asked if the applicants would consider shingles instead of clapboards. Mr. Talbot asked if that choice would be an effort to minimize the "mass". Ms. Gilchrist said yes, she thought shingles might soften the effect of that portion seen from the road. Mr. Tittmann said the house sits back such a distance from the road, it would be hard to delineate shingles from clapboard.
Mr. Talbot said his concern is regarding the chimneys; also, the light fixtures and windows which would be more visible in the winter months. Mr. Tittmann stated the spotlights will be at the back of the house; sensor lights facing downward. At the beginning of the driveway there will be only reflectors.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if they were ready for a motion. All agreed, providing the applicants come back with a new chimney, eave design for the barn and a lighting plan. Mr. Arturi asked if there were any further questions. No. There was no one else present to speak for or against this application.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 9/4/07, by Frederic and Dominique Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, to build a new single family dwelling with attached guest house, detached two-car garage and inground pool according to the site plan submitted with the application and new drawings received 9/17/07; with the stipulation that the applicant will submit a proposed drawing of eaves on the outbuilding and simplified chimney design on the main building and lighting plan for the driveway and structures, including location and design of lighting fixtures prior to installing on property or buildings. In addition, the applicant shall maintain and replace, as needed, existing vegetation between structures on the property and the public way. This work is to be completed by September 25, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mr. Chute, and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 8:18PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: October 4, 2007 September 17, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Tittmann, Mr. DiBenedetto, Mr. Diller, Residents of Calhoun-Ives District
PUBLIC HEARING
Laffont /128 Calhoun Street /New single family dwelling w/attached guest house, detached garage and inground pool
Mr. Arturi opened the Public Hearing at 7:30PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 9/4/07 by Frederic and Dominique Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, to build a new single family dwelling with attached guest house, detached two-car garage and inground pool. He read the legal notice that appeared in Voices on 9/9/07. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot. Mr. and Mrs. Laffont were represented by their architect, Mr. Harold Tittmann. There were also residents from the Calhoun-Ives Historic District in attendance.
Mr. Tittmann asked if the commission had an opportunity to drive by and look at the story poles he installed. Mr. Arturi said he could not see the story poles from the road. Other members agreed. Mr. Talbot said the story poles were visible from the Stuart farm - and after the house is built, he thought it would be even more visible from the Stuart farm when the leaves are off the trees. Mr. Arturi commented that the house is so far away from Calhoun Street,(600 to 700 feet), not many details would be visible from the public way. Mr. Tittmann said he has made an effort to keep a traditional look to the house. Mr. Talbot asked if the roof is going to have wood shingles. Yes.
The members looked at new plans and an aerial view of the property(marked rec'd 9-17-07) presented by Mr. Tittmann.
Lighting. Mr. Tittmann said there would be two lights by the front door, five lights by doors on the south side and sensor spots in the back by the driveway. There will be no spotlights in the front. Lights along the driveway will be sensor lights and point downward. The driveway is 1200ft long and will have 9 lights. Mr. Talbot stated the Commission needs to know exactly where the driveway lights will be - need to submit a specification on lighting. He asked about the entrance to the driveway. Mr. Tittmann replied the entrance will have no lights, no walls and no pillars. Ms. Gilchrist asked about the driveway surface. Mr. Tittmann replied it will be mostly paved, and will be covered with gravel closer to the house. Mr. Smith asked if the spotlights are not essential, could something less bright be substituted. Mr. Talbot asked if they had considered simple reflectors beside the driveway, then have lights nearer the house. Mrs. Boyer asked why low lights can't continue around the driveway in back of the house instead of spots. Mr. Talbot said it would be nice to have no lights at the beginning of the driveway. Mr. Tittmann said he would be happy to tell the owners no lights - lights are not on the plan at this point. If necessary, cedar posts, 3 to 4 feet high with reflectors, could be used along the driveway. Mr. Arturi said HDC could approve with the stipulation that Mr. Tittmann has to come back to the commission with a final design for lighting once he has a better idea of what Zoning will allow him to do. Mr. Tittmann was agreeable.
Structures. The house will have clapboard siding, the garage will have barn siding. Both will have a wood shingle roof. Mr. Talbot asked if he had thought about compressing the house. Mr. Tittmann replied he has tried to keep the square footage down. The ceiling height on the second floor is 8ft. Mr. Talbot asked how many square feet? 6400 square feet. The Commission discussed massing. Mr. Talbot commented that "siting-wise" the house was in a nice spot. He asked if the pitch of the roof could be reduced - if it could be scaled down to try and make the structure "go away". Mr. Tittmann said the pitch of the roof was higher at first; if he brings it down any more the space would be less usable.
The members discussed the eaves on the house and barn. The barn eaves seem wide. Mr. Talbot suggested the eaves on the barn should be made to "read" as a barn. Ms. Gilchrist agreed - eave detail is important on a barn. Mr. Smith remarked that outbuildings do not have the same level of "fancy" as a main house. They should be more simple - HDC has always requested that. Mr. Tittmann said he did not think the barn eaves would be visible from the road, but he would be happy to simplify them.
Mr. Smith asked about fencing for the pool. It will be a split rail with black mesh.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
Mr. Arturi asked if anyone in the audience would like to speak for or against the application. The following questions were asked by Calhoun-Ives residents:
- Will there be a pool house? No, just a pool.
- When will you commence construction? ASAP
- Are the lights by the front door floods? No, sensor spotlights are in the back and will go off and on as needed.
- Right now there is no exterior lighting on the road and I don't think there should be, it should stay that way. Mr. Tittmann agreed. This house is 800 to 900ft away from the road, there needs to be some lighting for safety.
- Will driveway lights and spotlights be sensor activated? Yes.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 9/4/07, by Frederic and Dominique Laffont, 128 Calhoun Street, to build a new single family dwelling w/attached guest house, detached two-car garage and inground pool. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Arturi closed the Public Hearing at 8:12PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 8:13PM and seated the members.
Pending Business
Laffont /128 Calhoun Street /New single family dwelling w/attached guest house, detached garage and inground pool.
Mrs. Boyer asked if the swimming pool would be visible from anywhere. No, according to Mr. Tittmann.
Mr. Talbot asked if HDC could suggest a buffer of some sort. Mr. Arturi suggested it could be included in the motion.
Mr. Smith commented the size of the house is an issue, but it is spread out. Ms. Gilchrist said more of the house would be visible if it had a higher block. Mr. Smith said attachments on old houses were not unusual.
Mr. Talbot questioned how the Commission should review this application. Since it is less visible are we less concerned by size? Mr. Smith noted the brief silence and asked if the Commission should take more time to think about the size. The members looked at the photos and plans.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if they were ready to vote or would they like to have another look.
Mr. Talbot: Concerned about suburbanization occurring in the district.
Mr. Smith: Apprehensive about this being the "thin edge of a wedge"; another move toward bigger houses.
Mrs. Rives: It sets precedent.
Mr. Smith: We have had other precedents. We've talked about these issues before. Should a district be frozen in time or have a life of its own that we have to accept. Are we trying to preserve the district as farmland?
Ms. Gilchrist: Regrets the size of houses being built now. If the guest house wasn't attached, the house would not look so big.
After a brief discussion, the members decided it would be beneficial to have another look at the site. In addition, they agreed it would be helpful to take a look at the relative size of buildings in the district. Mr. Arturi said he was ready to vote, but was willing to go along with the other members and reconvene this meeting next month. It was decided to hold a special meeting on Tuesday, September 25th at 7:30PM.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 8/20/07 minutes as written. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Other Business
A. Marc Shaw /110 Calhoun Street /Discussion: rotted front porch.
Mr. Shaw was unable to attend. He will reschedule. Mr. Arturi said Mr. Shaw could also come to the special meeting on September 25th. He will be invited.
B. DiBenedetto /214 Calhoun Street /Discussion: demolish barn.
Mr. DiBenedetto was present along with his son and his architect, Erich Diller, to discuss demolition of the bank barn. Mr. Diller gave each of the members drawings and photos showing the existing condition of the bank barn. He said portions of the barn are unsafe and they would like approval to demolish it. He said they hope to reclaim some of the timbers for future use. At this time, they are not proposing what will be rebuilt, they are just focusing on the need for removal because it is falling down.
Mr. Smith asked if they would be replacing the barn "in-kind". Mr. Diller replied they intend to put something back in its place. The exterior character from Calhoun Street will have the same feel as it does now. There will be no animals or hay - they will be in the utility barn across the street behind the orchard.
Mr. Talbot asked if they could walk the members through what they intend to do. Mr. Diller said the existing bank barn had been used as a farm building. The new structure will have the same scale and mass in order to look like the existing. Mr. DiBenedetto said he is not sure exactly how it will be rebuilt, but it will be a u-shaped structure like the existing barns. The new structure will be used as a guest house or permanent residence. It will either have barn siding or Italianate like the house. Plans are evolving, they will come back to HDC when decisions are made. Mr. Talbot said the concept of a courtyard barn is the right approach - a creative way to use the space as living space. Ms. Gilchrist said it was nice to see the concept of the bankyard preserved in their plans. The members thanked them for coming.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 9:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: September 1, 2007 August 20, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:30PM and seated the members. He seated Alternate Mills for Ms. Gilchrist and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 7/16/07 minutes as corrected:
Correspondence B. Line 4; .........fall. The back and sides of the Parish House will also be painted.
By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed
5-0.
Other Business
A. Connolly /86 Calhoun Street /driveway cuts, new siding
It was brought to the attention of HDC that the Connolly's have resided the front of their house. The members discussed the fact that even if the siding was a "replacement in-kind", the Connolly's should have sent a letter to the commission stating that fact.
Mrs. Boyer noted that the driveway cut past the mailbox had still not been seeded as had been promised at the 11/13/06 Public Hearing.
Mr. Arturi said he would send a note to Mr. & Mrs. Connolly regarding the driveway and siding.
B. Dedell /156 Calhoun Street /lighting
The commissioners discussed two large spot lights on the left front corner of the house. The only lighting shown on the plans are lights beside the doors. Mrs. Rives said she had seen the lights and they look as though they could be temporary because there are wires hanging from them. Mrs. Mills said she will take a look and get back to the commission.
Mr. Arturi informed the members that the notice of violation was recorded on the land records for 10 Sunny Ridge Road and a copy will be sent to the bank that now owns the property.
The members briefly discussed commercial signs in historic districts - specifically, ones on the green. They seem inappropriate. Mrs. Boyer said she would look into this and report back to the commission.
Mr. Chute said he met a resident of the Merryall District of New Milford, Mr. Bailey, who would like to have some help from the Town of Washington in forming a historic district. Mr. Bailey said they have none at present.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 7:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectively Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: July 29, 2007 July 16, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Ms. Khouri, Mr. Bass
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:30PM and seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 6/18/07 minutes as written. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
A. Received card from The Gunnery inviting HDC to the dedication of Teddy House on September 15th at 11:00AM.
B. Letter from The First Congregational Church advising HDC that the steeple, clock and cupola below the steeple will be repaired and repainted this summer and fall.
Other Business
Khouri & Bass /75 Green Hill Road /Informal Discussion - Renovations
Mr. Arturi thanked Ms. Khouri and Mr. Bass for coming to the meeting to brief the members on their progress. He noted there has been some concern on the part of their neighbors about when the work will be finished.
Ms. Khouri began by saying so much has happened with this job - they are about a year behind schedule due to a car running into the house. The accident created an additional $25,000 in extra foundation work. It also caused a tremendous amount of internal damage. Also, there was vandalism to their property about two weeks ago. Mr. Bass, who is a building contractor in N.Y. City, is taking over the carpentry work. They are also bringing in a new mechanic.
Mr. Arturi said they should apply again for the outstanding items and give HDC a schedule of when they expect to be done.
Ms. Khouri said one year ago, they found a craftsman to rebuild windows. The windows in the room over the west porch should be installed by end of fall; the remainder in 2008. She said they will try and get them done as soon as possible - working on the weekends.
Mr. Talbot suggested they first do work that is visible from the public way. In addition, it would be helpful if they could plan their schedule in order to minimize the time plywood has to be in the windows.
Mr. Arturi said this information is all helpful and HDC would like to have a schedule with realistic dates.
Ms. Khouri said they are still getting a lot of water in the basement and are waiting for more work to be done to correct their drainage problem. The driveway cannot be paved until the drainage work is complete; hopefully by fall 2007. Mrs. Rives asked what topping would be on the driveway. Asphalt with stone. Other items in need of repair are the west porch (as you come up the hill) needs a railing and lattice; also the main chimney needs a chimney cap.
Mr. Arturi thanked them again for coming in and said the Commission wants to work with them and will give them a schedule for a C of A that they'll be comfortable with.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 8:12PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectively Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: June 28, 2007 June 18, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. & Mrs. Markert
PUBLIC HEARING
Dedell, Shapiro /156 Calhoun Street /swimming pool
Mr. Arturi opened the Public Hearing at 7:30PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/28/07 by Jacqueline Dedell and Ira Shapiro, 156 Calhoun Street, to build a swimming pool. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 6/10/07. Mr. Arturi seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot. Ms. Dedell and Mr. Shapiro were present with their architect, Mr. Hinkel.
Mr. Hinkel presented the plans to the Commission along with Ms. Dedell and Mr. Shapiro. He pointed out the addition of the pool, the gravel driveway and a defined parking area. There will be a center drain in the parking area. Mr. Hinkel noted the pool equipment and air conditioning condenser will be hidden behind a retaining wall and shrubs. The pool fence will be picket with wire behind.
Mrs. Mills asked if the pool would be visible if there were no shrubs. Ms. Dedell replied it would not be visible because the pool is 7 1/2 feet below grade.
Mr. Markert asked about the color on the bottom of the pool. Ms. Dedell said the color inside the pool is going to be a soft green-gray; like an old fashioned garden pond.
She noted the cement edging around the pool will be very plain.
Mrs. Rives asked if they are planning any lighting around the pool. Ms. Dedell said they have been thinking about two lights that would face away from the street, but they are not necessary.
Mr. Arturi asked if there were any other questions.
Ms. Gilchrist commented that the plan is beautiful, but she is worried about the formality of it in this rural district that's been designated for its' agricultural character. From the street it looks formal. Ms. Dedell asked if the commission has jurisdiction over plantings. It does not. Mr. Smith observed the concern is for the symmetry of the whole package.
Mr. Arturi said he tends to agree with Ms. Gilchrist, but is not sure how much of this will be visible from the road. He said the pool area looks to be about 70ft from the road. Ms. Dedell confirmed that and said as the grade drops down you will not see much from the road.
Mr. Chute suggested that the hedge could be continued over to the side property line to eliminate the symmetry. Ms. Dedell said that was a good idea. Mrs. Mills agreed it should be made to look less formal; more like the neighborhood looks.
Ms. Gilchrist remarked on the increasing formality of the landscape that you see as you drive around. More people are building sharp cornered stone walls and pruning their shrubs to perfection. She said she would like to see more softness of edges in the area. Mr. Shapiro said he agreed. He said they tried to choose stone walls that are more like 18th century stone walls.
The Commission asked about lighting. Ms. Dedell said there is one existing light at the road and the lights on the house were previously approved. She said the look they are going for is low-key, so they are not thinking about outdoor lighting.
Mr. Smith said the parking area is carefully designed and very symmetrical, so it looks formal. Ms. Gilchrist said she does not think the formal shape is going to be visible from the road.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if there were any more questions. There were none. He asked if anyone in the audience had comments for or against this application. No.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/28/07, by Jacqueline Dedell and Ira Shapiro, 156 Calhoun Street, to build a swimming pool. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Arturi closed the Public Hearing at 8:00PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 8:01PM and seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Dedell, Shapiro /156 Calhoun Street /swimming pool
The members discussed this application and decided to include in the motion a request that the applicants reduce the formality of the proposed swimming pool and parking area as much as possible.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/28/07, by Jacqueline Dedell and Ira Shapiro, 156 Calhoun Street, to build an inground swimming pool as shown in drawings submitted with the application. The applicants are encouraged to execute the planting so as to minimize the formality and symmetry to maintain the rural character of the district. This work is to be completed by June 18, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 5/21/07 minutes as corrected:
Pg.2, Par.2, Line 6, ........commented that all of ......
By Mr. Chute, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed
5-0.
Other Business
Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road /Violations
Mr. Arturi drafted a notice of violations and sent it to Atty. Zizka for his input. The members agreed they would like to see this notice placed on the land records.
MOTION: To record the Notice of Violations on the Town Land Records for 10 Sunny Ridge Road. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.
Young Elliott's Farm /110 Calhoun Street /Restoration
Ms. Gilchrist and Mr. Talbot met with Marc Shaw to discuss his plans for restoration. Mr. Shaw said he would like to restore the farmhouse and save the barn and stabilize it if he can. They did not discuss the rest of the property. Ms. Gilchrist stated that she and Mr. Talbot tried to impress on Mr. Shaw how much they would like to see any restoration be in-kind so as to maintain the simplicity and character of the property.
Mr. Smith asked if the State has any funds for people trying to restore buildings. Mr. Arturi said he would look into that before the next meeting and report back.
Correspondence
A. Letter from Mr. Bialobrzeski, 113 Woodbury Road, stating they will be replacing a bathroom window in the back of the house. The replacement window is the same as existing and not visible from the road.
B. Letter from Gunn Memorial Museum, 1 Wykeham Road, stating they will be removing rotted clapboards on north and east sides of Museum and replace them in-kind.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 8:25PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectively Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: May 31, 2007 May 21, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:30PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Mills for Mr. Talbot.
Since Mr. Brighenti was present, Mr. Arturi asked for a motion to change the order of the agenda to discuss the proposed pool at 5 Kielwasser Road before other business.
MOTION: To change the order of business and begin the meeting with a discussion on the proposed inground pool at 5 Kielwasser Road. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mrs. Mills and passed 5-0.
Brighenti /5 Kielwasser Road /Discussion
Mr. Brighenti had the area in back of the house staked out where the pool is to be located so that the members could drive by and determine whether or not it would be visible from the road.
Mr. Arturi said when he drove by he could not see anything because of the grade. He asked the members if they had a chance to check it out. They all agreed the pool would not be visible from the public way and Mr. Brighenti did not need to apply for a C of A.
Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road /Discussion
Mr. Arturi said he made a note of the violations and sent them to Attorney Zizka. As soon as he receives an answer he will advise the members. The members were in agreement that these violations should be placed on the land records. This property was recently purchased by a bank at auction.
Mr. Smith asked about the violations. Ms. Gilchrist said HDC had asked for vertical siding on the addition and clapboards were used instead. HDC said no portico and a portico was installed. Dormers and a round window were also installed without HDC approval. In addition, she commented that much of this is visible from the public way.
Young Elliot's Farm /110 Calhoun Street /Discussion
Mr. Arturi said he and Mrs. Mills were present at the Planning Commission meeting on May 1st. He said he spoke at that meeting and voiced his concerns about preserving the streetscape in the Calhoun-Ives District. He also commented that much of the proposed open space is located in wetlands and is already unbuildable. The Planning meeting was continued.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 7:45PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: April 24, 2007 April 16, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
PUBLIC HEARING
Est. of J. Averill & T. Averill /250 Calhoun Street / install wood fired boiler in insulated shed.
Mr. Arturi opened the Public Hearing at 7:30PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/22/07 by the Estate of J. Averill & T. Averill, 250 Calhoun Street, to install a wood fired boiler in an insulated shed. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 4/8/07 and seated the members. Samuel and Susan Averill were present to represent the Estate.
Mr. Averill came forward to discuss the application. He began by asking the Commissioners if they had been able to drive by 250 Calhoun Street to see the poles with flags he had installed to designate where the shed would be located. Ms. Gilchrist and Mrs. Rives both said they had driven by but were unable to see the poles. Mr. Averill explained that the poles are to the right of the house, but are 225ft from the road and not very visible.
Mr. Talbot asked if the lines from the shed to the house are to be buried. Yes. Mr. Arturi asked how tall the actual structure would be. Mr. Averill said the poles he erected are 9ft tall and the shed including the smoke stack may be 10ft tall.
The members asked Mr. Averill for various details about the shed. Mr. Averill said he was not sure what color it will be. The shed is steel and is approximately 6'x 7' and will sit on a slab. The shed door is large for easily loading big logs which will probably need to be done twice a day. Mr. Averill said he is hoping this large boiler will take care of their heating as well as hot water needs. They will continue to keep oil as an emergency backup.
Mrs. Picton asked why he chose this particular site for the boiler. Mr. Averill replied he wanted it downwind from the house.
Mr. Arturi asked the members if they had any further questions or comments. No. There was no one else present to speak for or against this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/22/07 by the Estate of J. Averill & T. Averill, 250 Calhoun Street, to install a wood fired boiler in an insulated shed. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Mr. Arturi closed the Public Hearing at 745PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:46PM and seated the members. He read the following motion.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/22/07 by the Estate of J. Averill & T. Averill, 250 Calhoun Street, to install a wood fired boiler in an insulated shed as shown in specifications and drawing submitted with the application. This work is to be completed by April 16, 2008; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
Mr. Talbot commented that as a renewable energy source, it makes sense; and the little barn shed is very appropriate.
The members wanted to know how the shed would be located on the site, as the drawing was unclear. Mr. Averill said the gable end would face the road. He also mentioned the fact that in the future he might want to add a shed near the boiler to store wood. He was reminded that he would need to apply to the Commission before building a shed.
Mr. Smith suggested the Commission should ask the Averills to submit a drawing showing the exact orientation of the shed prior to installation, and that the motion should be amended accordingly.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/22/07 by the Estate of J. Averill & T. Averill, 250 Calhoun Street, to install a wood fired boiler in an insulated shed as shown in specifications and drawing submitted with the application. A more specific drawing showing the exact orientation of the shed is to be submitted prior to installation. This work is to be completed by April 16, 2008; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Arturi and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 3/19/07 minutes as written. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 3-0-2.
Mr. Arturi and Mr. Talbot abstaining because they
had not been present at the meeting.
Other Business
Khouri - Bass /75 Green Hill Road /Status of C of A's issued
Mr. Talbot spoke with Ms. Khouri on the phone regarding their expired Certificates of Appropriateness. There have been some unfortunate incidents that have slowed their progress. A car accident which did damage to the northeast corner, Ms. Khouri's mother has been ill, and recently, their priority has been to strengthen the interior supports. Given the circumstances, Mr. Talbot thought they were doing the best they could.
Mr. Talbot noted the main problem has been the windows. Some have been fabricated and are ready to install. He stressed to Ms. Khouri that they should avoid having plywood in the windows for the least possible time. He told her it was important to the Commission that when they start something, they should finish it before going to something else.
The members discussed the fact that they are disappointed in this project, and in addition, there have been several complaints to the Commission from neighbors.
Mr. Chute stated it is appropriate to suggest to them that they keep in touch with the Commission.
Mr. Arturi said they need to come back in. Technically, at this time they are doing unapproved work.
Mr. Talbot said he will get back to Ms. Khouri with a list of C of A's that need extensions.
Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road /violations
Ms. Gilchrist showed the members several pictures she had taken and listed the violations she observed:
HDC asked for vertical siding on the addition. Mr. Ross used clapboards. HDC said no portico. Mr. Ross put up a portico. Mr. Ross installed dormers and a round window that were not approved by HDC. Mr. Arturi will check to see if these violations can be listed on the land records.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 8:55PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: March 30, 2007 March 19, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
PUBLIC HEARINGS
The Gunnery School, Inc. /99 Green Hill Road /Raise lower section of existing deck to level of tennis courts.
Ms. Gilchrist opened the Public Hearing at 7:38PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/28/07 by The Gunnery School, Inc., 99 Green Hill Road, to raise the lower section of the existing deck to the level of the tennis courts. She read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 3/11/07. Ms. Gilchrist seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Brad Sedito of Ruscoe-Sedito Construction, represented The Gunnery.
Mr. Sedito began by saying that the members were probably familiar with the original application for the viewing decks which were approved by HDC in 2003. At this time, he said, they would like to raise the lower section of the existing viewing deck to the level of the tennis courts as shown in the drawings. Mr. Sedito and the commissioners discussed the drawings and photos (submitted 2/28/07).
Due to the distance from the road, Mr. Sedito noted that the deck would barely be visible from Route 47. The members agreed. Mrs. Rives asked if it could be seen from Wykeham Road. No. Mrs. Picton asked if the materials and details are to be the same as that of the existing deck. Yes.
Ms. Gilchrist asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none. There was no one else present to speak for or against this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/28/07 by The Gunnery School, Inc., 99 Green Hill Road, to raise the lower section of the existing deck to the level of the tennis courts. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Ms. Gilchrist closed the Public Hearing at 7:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Washington Family Associates /32 Sunny Ridge Road /swimming pool w/fence
Ms. Gilchrist opened the Public Hearing at 7:46PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/1/07 by Washington Family Associates, 32 Sunny Ridge Road, to install an inground swimming pool with fence. She read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 3/11/07. Ms. Gilchrist seated the members and seated Mrs. Rives for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Jim Dobson of Dobson Pools represented Washington Family Associates.
Mr. Dobson presented each member with a copy of the site plan and specifications for the pool. The commissioners looked over the photos and plans. He asked the members if they had an opportunity to visit the site. They all had.
Mr. Dobson stated the rectangular shaped swimming pool (18'x43') will be located between the house and barn. Some stone walls will be extended and will match existing. A triple split rail fence will enclose the pool and will have 4ft high, 1"x1" black pool fencing attached to comply with building code. This black fencing is not visible from a distance. Any new split rail fencing will match existing. The pool equipment will be surrounded by a stone wall; part of which is already existing. The terracing will be blue stone, like the sample submitted with the application. Mr. Dobson said the pool will not be visible from the road.
Mrs. Rives asked if the owner had any desire to build a pool house in the future. No, there is no room. Mrs. Rives asked if there were plans to have a diving board or lights at night for swimming. Mr. Dobson replied there is to be no diving board and the only lighting would be inside the pool.
For the record, Ms. Gilchrist read a letter from Mrs. Mills, 144 Calhoun Street, who thought the pool and fence should be set back further to be less visible. She also read a letter from Mr. Dutton, 28 Sunny Ridge Road, in support of the application. Both of these letters are filed with the minutes.
The members discussed the location of the pool and fence. Mr. Chute thought the pool and fence could not be in a more inconspicuous space. Mrs. Picton noted that the area where the pool is proposed, is lower than the area further back. Mrs. Picton asked the members if they needed further discussion or had any additional questions. There were none. There was no one else present to speak for or against this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/1/07 by Washington Family Associates, 32 Sunny Ridge Road, to install an inground swimming pool with fence. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Ms. Gilchrist closed the Public Hearing at 8:08PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Ms. Gilchrist called the meeting to order at 8:09PM and seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
The Gunnery School, Inc. /99 Green Hill Road /Raise lower section of existing deck to level of tennis courts
The members agreed they had no problems with this application.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/28/07 by The Gunnery School, Inc., 99 Green Hill Road, to raise the lower section of the existing viewing deck to the level of the tennis courts. Details of the new construction shall be consistent with those of the existing structure. This work is to be completed by March 19, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Washington Family Associates /32 Sunny Ridge Road /Swimming
Pool with fence
Ms. Gilchrist asked the members if they were ready to Vote on this application. Mr. Smith suggested adding a line in the motion stating that the finished result should be the same as proposed.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3-1-07 by Washington Family Associates, 32 Sunny Ridge Road, to install an inground swimming pool with fence. The work shall be according to plans and poster board display received 3/1/07 and as per specs included in the application. This work is to be completed by March 19, 2008, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 2/12/07 minutes as written. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
OTHER BUSINESS
A. Discussion of proposed subdivision at 110 Calhoun Street.
Ms. Gilchrist read a message from Mr. Arturi who was out of town:
Today I received a package from Janet Hill, consisting of a memo to me, the application to subdivide the 110 Calhoun Street property into 2 lots, and the proposed subdivision map. Janet asked that we provide our comments to the Planning Commission before its April 3rd meeting. Please take a close look at the map, as there are perc tests in the northwest corner of the property, and just south of the barn, which tells me there could be building in one or both of those areas somewhere down the road, and which would adversely affect the streetscape. While the applicant has included enough open space to satisfy the subdivision regulations, it is largely in an unbuildable area due to the existence of wetlands. I would like to suggest to the Planning Commission that it attempt to negotiate with the applicant for more open space, particularly in the two areas I identified above, in order to maintain the rural character of the property and the district.
Mrs. Mills was not present, but had looked over the subdivision map earlier and offered her comments: Houses should not be built on Calhoun Street frontage. That area (Parcel A) should be protected.
Ms. Gilchrist read the memo from the Planning Commission dated 3/2/07. Because this property is in the heart of the Calhoun-Ives Historic District, the subdivision application and site plan have been sent to the Historic District Commission for review. Following discussion ensued:
Ms. Gilchrist: We sent a letter to Young Elliot's Field LLC, welcoming them to the district. Has everyone had a chance to come in and review the plans?
All - Yes
The members looked at the plans and noted where perc tests were done and location of wetlands.
Mrs. Rives: What's the use of having a scenic rural district if we don't have any control about what's done to it? If houses are put "there" and "there" (indicating areas on Parcel A where perc tests were done), I don't care what the houses look like, it's just going to be more humans - probably with swimming pools.
Ms. Gilchrist: It looks to me like the area that's been designated for conservation is the least visible area on the property and I would comment, just a personal feeling, conservation easements are......the intention should be, to protect the most visible area.
The members studied the conservation easement on the site plan.
Mr. Smith: Is this whole area (outlined in green) a conservation easement?
Mr. Chute: This is wetlands inside the conservation easement.
Ms. Gilchrist: This (Parcel A) is very visible when you're coming down the road. This (conservation easement area) is not very visible because it is so low and of course almost the entire of Parcel A, except perhaps this lower part is very visible. My sense is that any building "here" or "here" (indicating areas on Parcel A where perc tests were done) would be completely unacceptable. If there has to be any building at all (on Parcel A), I would want to see it as close to the lower corner as possible.
Whether or not the are planning to build on it, it is clear they are not proposing to protect this part (Parcel A).
Everyone agreed.
Mrs. Rives: Can we recommend that Parcel A be protected instead of the wetlands? You can't build within a certain distance of the wetlands.
Ms. Gilchrist: We can.
Mr. Chute: I kind of like the idea of recommending this. They haven't given us all the information we need. There are too many vague things. We should just tell them we'd like to see this (Parcel A) protected.
Ms. Gilchrist: It's kind of a disingenuous gift of a conservation easement. Would we like to compose a statement of recommendation to submit to the Planning Commission?
Mr. Smith: I think a lot of it, whatever it is, depends on what happens next. Because the last thing you want to see is that divided up into equal size lots with a house in the middle, close to the street. I don't know enough to know what the possibilities are.
Mr. Chute: That's why I think we should give them an invitation to come and tell us what their objective is.
Mr. Smith: When we discussed this a long, long time ago; we talked about planning that would concentrate houses in clusters and leave a lot of open space.
Ms. Gilchrist: I don't know if Washington has regulations on cluster housing.
Mr. Chute: We don't know enough, they haven't given us enough information.
Mrs. Rives: They're coming before another commission and we are just to give our opinion of what we think about it so far.
Mr. Smith: Well, I believe what we think, is that this particular plan opens up the possibility of a substantial number of houses along the street.
Mr. Chute: That would be very objectionable to us.
Mr. Smith: It would change the character of the district.
Mr. Chute: Yes, it would.
Mrs. Rives: Definitely.
Ms. Gilchrist: That's definitely a possibility.
Mr. Chute: I would use a few strong words in the recommendation.
Mr. Smith: Confronted with a classic issue; can you tell somebody that they can't build at all because it's not appropriate?
Mr. Chute: Well, we're not telling them that. We're just giving them our opinion. I don't think we can say how many houses they can put there.
Mr. Smith: No, but construction would have to come before us.
Mrs. Rives: And also style.
Mr. Chute: The style we'd have to pass. I don't think we have a say over how many houses they can put there.
Mr. Smith: No, but we can say that the implications threaten.....
Mrs. Rives: .....the rural scenic quality of the district.
Mr. Smith: Some implications are more threatening than others.
Ms. Gilchrist: They threaten the historic rural character of the district, which is what the district was designated for. The purpose of the district is to preserve the historic, rural, agricultural character of the area; and I think whatever we say today should include that, because that is in the Historic District Study Proposal, and that's what the attorneys say we need to always refer back to.
Mr. Chute: Does that give us authority over how many houses they can build?
Ms. Gilchrist: No. Or siting. We don't have authority over siting either.
Mr. Chute: That's why we should give our strong opinion early because we don't know their plans.
Ms. Gilchrist: I think the Planning Commission needs to know that we feel very strongly. They are required to consider the opinion of other people.
Mr. Smith: It seems to me that this is going to become a development with a road leading in.
The members composed the following memo to the Planning Commission:
The Historic District Commission strongly recommends that Parcel A, Young Elliot's Farm, LLC, site analysis plan dated January 2007, be placed under a conservation easement in order to preserve the rural historic character of the Stuart Farm and the entire south end of the Calhoun-Ives Historic District. It is this open agricultural landscape and its simple, vernacular farm buildings which comprise the character and values upon which the District was designated.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Ms. Gilchrist adjourned the meeting at 9:06PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: February 22, 2007 February 12, 2007
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Chute, Ms. Gilchrist, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Mills, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
PUBLIC HEARING
Dedell, Shapiro(Cont'd) /156 Calhoun Street /swimming pool w/fence
Mr. Arturi reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:37PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/29/06, by Jacqueline Dedell and Ira Shapiro, 156 Calhoun Street, to construct a swimming pool with fence. Mr. Arturi seated the members and seated Alternate Mills for Mr. Smith. Ms. Dedell and Mr. Shapiro were not present. No one was present to represent them.
The members briefly discussed this application and decided to deny without prejudice because the application was incomplete.
The Public Hearing ended at about 7:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Arturi called the meeting to order at 7:46PM and seated the members and seated Mrs. Mills for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
Dedell, Shapiro(cont'd) /156 Calhoun Street /swimming pool w/fence
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/29/06, by Jacqueline Dedell and Ira Shapiro, 156 Calhoun Street, to construct a swimming pool with fence because the application was incomplete. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 10/16/06 minutes as corrected:
Pg.6, Par.6, Line 4; ........Mrs. Rives: Well, an artist needs space, not just for light, you need space for the materials you're using to breathe - programmatically it's not big like some studios are. By Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To approve the 12/18/06 minutes as written. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Ms. Gilchrist and passed 5-0.
Other Business
A. Election of Officers. Mr. Arturi suggested that HDC officers remain the same unless there were any objections. There were none.
MOTION: To elect the following Historic District Commission officers for 2007: Mr. Arturi - Chairman, Ms. Gilchrist - Vice Chairman and Mr. Talbot - Secretary By Mrs. Mills, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
B. Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /progress on renovations.
The members discussed the fact that there were several Certificates of Appropriateness issued between 2001 and 2004. A letter will be sent to Ms. Khouri asking if she could meet and discuss the progress on these renovations.
C. Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road. The members discussed whether or not Mr. Ross has complied with everything he was to complete for HDC. Also, they were not sure if ownership of this property has changed. Ms. Gilchrist agreed to research the history of this file and report back to the Commission.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at 8:30PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
Posted: February 27, 2007 January 8, 2007
Meeting cancelled due to lack of a quorum.
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