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December 19, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Petruno and family membersPUBLIC HEARING
Petruno /22 Sunny Ridge Road /Vinyl siding.
Mr. Treadway opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/2/05, by William Petruno, 22 Sunny Ridge Road, to install vinyl siding on his house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 12/11/05. Mr. Treadway seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith. Mr. Petruno was present.
Mr. Petruno began by saying that he can no longer paint the house himself and he has been unable to find someone to do it for him. Mr. Treadway asked if he would prefer to have the house painted. Mr. Petruno replied he would since painting is cheaper than installing vinyl siding.
Mrs. Keller (Mr. Petruno's daughter) stated the house not only needs paint, but many of the existing clapboards are rotten and would need to be replaced. Mr. Treadway asked if the existing clapboards would have to come off before vinyl siding is installed. Yes. Mrs. Keller said they would have to be removed. She brought examples of the vinyl clapboard and dutch-lap as specified on the application. Mrs. Keller explained that the installation instructions describe the siding and trim detail which will be the same as existing. Mr. Talbot asked if the existing windows have vinyl trim. Yes they do.
The members studied photos (submitted 12/19/05) showing details of the existing house and also photos taken from the road. Mr. Arturi said the house sits back from the road about 110ft and he does not think vinyl siding will be noticeable from the road.
Mr. Talbot asked if the trim around the existing windows will remain. Mr. Petruno said yes because the existing windows are vinyl clad with vinyl trim. Mrs. Keller said they will be replacing the shutters and the new shutters have brackets to make them look like they are operable. She said the color of the new shutters will be a rust color; the same as existing. They are guaranteed not to fade. Mr. Talbot noted that the members have always had concerns with shutters that are not real working shutters.
Mr. Petruno said he would rather go with the 4" vinyl clapboard rather than the dutch-lap because the existing wooden clapboards are 4".
Mr. Treadway asked the members if they had any further questions. There were none. Mr. Treadway said he spoke on the phone with Mr. Clark who had no objections to Mr. Petruno's application. He then read a letter from Mr. Ross who also had no objections. Mrs. Aeschliman stated in a letter that she felt that vinyl siding would be entirely inappropriate and would effect the integrity of the historic district. There were no other residents present either for or against this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/2/05, by William Petruno, 22 Sunny Ridge Road, to install vinyl siding. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Treadway closed the Public Hearing at 7:53PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 7:55PM, seated the members, seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
Petruno /22 Sunny Ridge Road /vinyl siding.
Mr. Treadway asked the commissioners for their comments.
Mr. Arturi said he had no objection. The house is a non-contributing building in the district and you won't be able to tell from the road that the siding is vinyl. He said he is inclined to say ok. But, since the Commission discourages non-traditional siding, the motion should be made specific to this property.
Mr. Talbot agreed about the distance from the road and the fact that the house is a non-contributing building in the district. He stated that he is not a fan of vinyl siding, but in this situation, the existing windows and shutters are vinyl. The house is not trying to be historic. Mr. Talbot wondered if it might be possible that a future owner would want to build a vinyl siding addition. Mr. Arturi said that is the reason that the motion and approval should be made as narrow as possible and specific to that property. The Commission does not want to set a precedent.
Mrs. Boyer stated she is not wild about vinyl siding and this is not a matter of hardship if the siding is more expensive than paint, but she would approve if the motion is kept specific "in that box" for that house.
Mr. Treadway said he is concerned that someone reading these minutes will say they want vinyl siding somewhere else. Mr. Arturi noted that is why the motion must be kept very narrow.
MOTION: Whereas the property at 22 Sunny Ridge Road, is a non-contributing house in the district, and whereas it has existing vinyl windows and shutters, and whereas the distance of the house from the road will make it difficult, if not impossible, to discern the materials used, and notwithstanding that the Commission discourages the use of non-traditional materials; the Commission approves the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted November 2, 2005, by William Petruno, 22 Sunny Ridge Road, to install vinyl siding on his house with the following stipulations: that the clapboards will be four inches and that this approval is limited to the existing structure and not to be applied to any subsequent additions or any other structures on the property. This work is to be completed by December 19, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0-1.
Mr. Treadway abstained from voting since he is a neighbor.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 11/14/05 minutes as amended:
Pg.2, Par.7, Line 5; ........to HDC showing him .....
Pg.2, Par.8, Line 2; ......do not, yet it is a typical application. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
OTHER BUSINESS
Discussion with Dimitri Rimsky, Planning Commission
Mr. Rimsky began by saying he would like some advice from the members regarding a project he would like to do for Mrs. Shulman, 82 Green Hill Road. She would like to make a small office in her garage. Mr. Rimsky showed the members a photo of the existing garage. He said Mrs. Shulman would like to convert one bay of the garage into an office and replace the existing garage door with a bay window. The Commission discussed this briefly with Mr. Rimsky and said they would be willing to consider this at a future meeting.
Washington Depot Study. Mr. Rimsky handed each of the members a letter about the Depot study. Mr. Talbot stated the study seems to make a lot of sense, but does not think HDC will have much to say about any decisions.
Mr. Rimsky said if the town is not proactive, it may be blindsided by any number of things. Mr. Arturi agreed. Regardless of the outcome, it is a good exercise and will raise peoples' consciousness.
Mr. Rimsky said he has met with various reactions to the Depot study. Some think the plan is unnecessary. Some think River Road should not be changed. The Planning Commission hopes that in the future, someone may look at the plan and see that it is a sensible way to solve access to the back of the food market for service trucks, add more parking and perhaps create a safer intersection at Route 47.
Mr. Treadway asked Mr. Rimsky what he wanted from the Commission. Mr. Rimsky replied, in general, to reaffirm the intent of this plan which is to put forward a series of possibilities that would be moved along in stages. All the various commissions should have a voice in responding to what they see in this plan. Although the Depot is not in a historic district, the idea is to try and formulate a plan that keeps the architectural integrity of the Depot. The Planning Commission thinks it is important for the citizens to understand what is going on and appreciate the necessity of having a plan for the future.
Mrs. Boyer commented that people are afraid of change. It is important to start very simply and do one thing at a time; to look at things that are doable.
Mr. Talbot said he understands Mr. Rimsky's reason for visiting the different commissions. He asked if Planning had the power to help craft change. Mr. Rimsky replied that Planning is basically mandated to set an agenda that sets a path for change. The Plan of Development describes what the town wants itself to look like and creates controls over how the Community develops.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Arturi.
Mr. Arturi adjourned the meeting at approximately 9PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
November 14, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Talbot, Secretary, conducted the meeting. He called the meeting to order at 7:35PM and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 10/17/05 minutes as written. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
Petruno, 22 Sunny Ridge Road, vinyl siding. The members looked over the information sent by Michelle Keller (Mr. Petruno's daughter) regarding the Mastic vinyl siding. Mr. Talbot asked the members what their thoughts were about the use of vinyl siding on a non-contributing building.
Mr. Arturi said he is not a fan of vinyl siding, but considering the distance from the road, he does not know if it could be determined whether or not the siding is vinyl. He added, the Commission should see a sample of the material. Mrs. Picton asked if there is more than one kind of vinyl siding in case they don't like this one. Mr. Talbot commented that vinyl siding was used on the Housing Trust at 16 Church Street if anyone would like to drive by and have a look. He said if the Commission is willing to consider this application, more information will be required; a sample of the siding and a picture of the actual shutter to be used.
Mr. Arturi commented that as a non-contributing building he would be willing to consider this application as long as the Commission would not be setting a precedent. Since the HDC Regulations discourage the use of vinyl siding, he suggested that if the Commission were to approve the application, he would like to see the approval be a narrow approval, specific to that property.
Mr. Talbot said he was not in favor of vinyl siding and thought the applicant should consider more traditional siding.
Mr. Smith said it is a non-contributing house and far away from the road. He noted that people think they are saving on maintenance, but vinyl siding does not breathe and there is a potential for damage by dampness and also UV degradation from sunny spots.
A letter will be sent to Mrs. Keller.
MOTION: To add Connolly, 86 Calhoun Street, to the agenda for a discussion regarding solar panels. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Talbot said that Mr. Connolly contacted him to ask about installing solar panels on his house. The state has an incentive program and will pay for half of the installation. Mr. Talbot informed Mr. Connolly that he would have to apply to HDC telling him where the panels will be installed, what they will look like and what will be seen from the road.
Mrs. Picton asked if the panels have to be on the roof. No, they do not.
Mr. Talbot will send a letter to Mr. Connolly and include page 13 from the Rules and Regulations and also a page from the CT Statute Sec. 7-147f regarding installation of solar energy systems.
Other Business
MOTION: To accept the Historic District Commission Calendar for the year 2006. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Arturi
Mr. Talbot adjourned the meeting at 8:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
October 17, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. DeDell, Mr. Shapiro, Mr. HinkelPUBLIC HEARING
DeDell - Shapiro /156 Calhoun Street /Change in dormer windows.
Mr. Treadway opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline Dedell, 156 Calhoun Street, to make a change in the dormer windows. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 10/9/05. Mr. Treadway seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith. Ms. DeDell and Mr. Shapiro were present with their architect, Mr. Hinkel.
The members looked at the revised drawings of the dormer windows (marked rec'd 9/30/05) and discussed them briefly with Mr. Hinkel. Mr. Treadway observed that the revised dormers look a lot better. Mr. Arturi asked if the windows in the dormers will be casement or double hung. Mr. Hinkel said they would be casement. Mr. Arturi commented these new drawings were an improvement. All agreed. Mr. Shapiro said he could live with these changes.
Mr. Treadway asked the members if they had any additional comments or questions. There were none. There was no one else present either for or against this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline Dedell, 156 Calhoun Street, to make a change in the dormer windows. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Mr. Treadway closed the Public Hearing at 7:43PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 7:44PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
DeDell - Shapiro /156 Calhoun Street /Change in dormer windows
There was no additional discussion. The members were ready to vote.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline DeDell, 156 Calhoun Street, to make a change in the configuration of the dormer windows as shown in the revised drawings (P-3, P-4 & P-5) by Paul R. Hinkel, AIA, submitted 9/30/05. This work is to be completed by October 17, 2005; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Arturi, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 8/15/05 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
MOTION: To accept the 9/19/05 minutes as amended:
Pg.4, Par.2, Line 7;........add ,since he suspects that future commissions would not look favorably on such a request.
Correspondence
The Commission briefly discussed a letter received from Jeff Fleet, Fleet Carpentry Service, dated 9/26/05. Mr. Fleet stated he would be rebuilding the porch on Beebe House (The Gunnery). It will be exactly the same as the existing porch.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Arturi.
Mr. Treadway adjourned the meeting at 7:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
September 19, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Arturi, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. TreadwayALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
ALSO PRESENT: Ms. Dedell, Mr. Shapiro, Mr. Hinkel, Mr. Godwin, Mr. Pleasants, Ms. Canning, Mr. Mills, Mr. Markert
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Aeschliman(Norwood Limited) /18 Sunny Ridge Road /Renew C of A issued July 19, 2004.
Mr. Treadway opened the Public Hearing at 7:34PM to consider renewing the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 18, 2005, by Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose their existing front porch with screening as previously approved July 19, 2004. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 9/11/05. Mr. Treadway seated the members.
Mr. Donald Wyant, contractor and agent for Mr. and Mrs. Aeschlimann was ill and unable to attend the meeting. He stated on the application and earlier in person(8/18/05) that there would be no changes to the Certificate of Appropriateness previously approved by the Commission.
The members were all in agreement to renew this Certificate of Appropriateness.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider renewing the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 18, 2005, by Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose their existing front porch with screening as previously approved July 19, 2004. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Mr. Treadway closed the Public Hearing at 7:40PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
DeDell - Shapiro /156 Calhoun Street /Addition and in-kind repairs.
Mr. Treadway opened the Public Hearing at 7:42PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted September 1, 2005, by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline DeDell, 156 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition and do some in-kind repairs. He read the legal notice that appeared in Voices on 9/11/05. Mr. Treadway seated the members. Ms. DeDell and Mr. Shapiro were present with their architect Mr. Hinkel.
Mr. Hinkel began by saying that over the years he has worked on a number of historic structures. He said he appreciated the fact that the members took the time to go individually over the past week to have a look at the house inside and out. He said he tried to take all the comments that were made at the preliminary discussion into consideration; such as reducing the mass and the number of windows.
Mr. Hinkel presented a new site plan and drawings (rec'd 9/19/05). The members studied the new drawings. In addition, some of the residents came up to the table to have a look. Mr. Hinkel noted the entire roof would have wood shingles. The house will have a combination of vertical barn siding, clapboards and shingles. The foundation will be stone.
Mr. Treadway commented that all the windows made the house a touch busy. Mr. Hinkel said the windows were to take advantage of the view. Mr. Treadway asked the neighbors if they had any questions or comments. Mr. Pleasants thought the plans looked very nice. However, he wondered about three different sidings. Mr. Godwin and Ms. Canning agreed.
Mr. Treadway noted that this house is the most historic building, not just in the Calhoun-Ives district, but in the entire town of Washington. It is a modest and simple house, so the addition must be as well. However, this plan is a vast improvement over the ones shown at the preliminary discussion.
Mr. Arturi commented that he is troubled by three different sidings. He likes the barn siding, it sets apart what is new from what is old; but the shingles in between just do not work. In addition, he said, the windows should be broken up a bit. It is a little too busy with all that glass. Mr. Shapiro said he wants to enjoy the view. Mr. Arturi replied he was not saying there should be no windows but that there are too many. Mr. Talbot said he does not think they will be very visible.
Mr. Treadway asked the members about their reaction to the massing and shape of the addition. Mrs. Picton responded, this is a critical property. It is so simple and very visible that adding anything is hard. She said the applicants have made a great effort to make the addition as appropriate as possible, but she is worried about the height of the addition. Mr. Treadway said he also would like to see the height of the addition lowered so it cannot be seen from the road. Ms. DeDell said they have already lowered the addition as far as possible. Mr. Hinkel said the headroom is needed for the master bedroom.
Mr. Talbot agreed with Mr. Treadway that this is an extremely important house in the district and the town of Washington. He stated in terms of their program, it seems they have done a good job trying to minimize the addition. The question is, how much more can it be reduced. Mr. Talbot said as much as he would like the addition to be smaller, he thinks the applicants have done a good job and he does not think the Commission can tell them they cannot have what they want. Mr. Treadway agreed that they have done a good job. Mr. Talbot said in terms of scale, the ridge on the second addition off the back is not quite as low as he thought it would be. He said if they can do more to reduce it, that would be great - if they cannot, he is not totally opposed.
Mr. Markert asked the height of the master bedroom. Mr. Hinkel replied it is a cathedral ceiling. Mr. Markert said if the ceiling height is adequate, then the height could be reduced. Mr. Treadway asked how much the addition would have to be lowered in order to get rid of the height. Mr. Hinkel replied it would have to be lowered one-half story.
Mr. Talbot said he is more concerned, looking to the future, that someone will come to the Commission asking for permission to build a garage. Mr. Shapiro said there is not a plan to immediately sell this house. He added, they could possibly retire here. Mr. Treadway noted the Commission was just looking ahead and he wanted it on the record.
The members continued to study the floor plans. Mr. Talbot asked if they had thought about putting the master bedroom somewhere else. Ms. DeDell said the master bedroom needs to be on the same level as the others. Mr. Shapiro said they need the view in the back. Mr. Treadway said he thought it was a shame to look at the house and see the roof of the addition.
Mrs. Picton said the perspective from the road may be less visible. Mr. Talbot doesn't think it will be visible. Mr. Smith commented that the discussion has been about what can be seen from the road. It's not simply deciding on whether what you see from the road looks ok. The Guidelines require the Commission to focus on the scale and size of an addition. That's what we're still discussing.
The members asked the square feet of the proposed addition. Mr. Hinkel said approximately 2000' or 2500', the total square footage will be approximately 4000'.
Mr. Treadway asked the members and residents if there were any addition comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted September 1, 2005, by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline Dedell, 156 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
Mr. Treadway closed the Public Hearing at 8:43PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the land Use office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 8:45PM and seated the members.
Pending Business
DeDell - Shapiro /157 Calhoun Street /Addition and in-kind repairs.
Mr. Treadway asked the members for their thoughts on this application.
Mr. Talbot said he could basically repeat what he said before. The house is an important building. The way houses have developed in the Historic Districts concerns him. The applicants made an enormous effort - he could see voting approval.
Mr. Smith said under the influence of seeing this new proposal in relation to the old one; this one is more appropriate. It may be too busy - he's not sure about the shingling or if it is necessary to keep the same kind of lights. With respect to size; if it will actually look like the drawing, he would vote to pass.
Mr. Arturi remarked that the dormer windows were too busy. He would either like to see more spacing or less windows in the three dormers.
Mrs. Picton asked what color paint would be used on the windows. Ms. DeDell said the house would be monochromatic - she would not contrast the trim. Mrs. Picton asked if the house would be red. Ms. DeDell said she was not sure, but it would probably be a lighter, historic color. Mrs. Boyer commented that paint gets changed and HDC has no jurisdiction over paint. Mrs. Picton said she is dismayed that a small older house is proposed to be turned into a modern, less simple house. She said she is struggling with the contrast of stark simplicity and additions of less essential rooms in an essential old house. Ms. DeDell said it has to be a house they can live in. Mrs. Picton complimented the applicants on stepping the addition back - but she is still worried about the height of the addition.
Mr. Treadway said he is concerned about the size of the addition as he expressed before.
Mr. Shapiro asked if they have the right to knock the house down. He was told he would need a permit - also HDC would have a certain amount of time to see if someone would purchase the house. Mr. Shapiro said he found the whole process confusing and they were warned this process could take months. He is afraid he may lose his contractor. He said he and Ms. DeDell specialize in saving houses and making them an integral part of the community.
Mr. Talbot asked if they have thoughts on building anything else on the property. No.
Straw poll: Mr. Talbot, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith - approve. Mr. Arturi said he would approve if they do something with the dormer windows. Mr. Treadway has a problem with the size.
The members decided to approve on condition a revised plan for the three dormers be submitted for the 10/17/05 meeting.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted September 1, 2005, by Ira Shapiro and Jacqueline DeDell, 156 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition according to plans received 9/1/05 and revised plans (SP-1, & P-2 thru P-7) submitted 9/19/05; with the stipulation that a revised plan for the three dormer windows be submitted at the October 17, 2005 Public Hearing. This work is to be completed by September 19, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Arturi seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 4-1.
Mr. Arturi, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith and Mr. Talbot voted in favor.
Mr. Treadway voted against. His reason for doing so is stated in the minutes.
Aeschliman(Norwood Limited) /18 Sunny Ridge Road /Renew C of A issued July 19, 2004.
MOTION: To approve the application to renew the Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 18, 2005, by Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose their existing front porch with screening as presented in drawings and photos originally submitted July 7, 2004 and previously approved on July 19, 2004. This work is to be completed by September 19, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Arturi and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To defer a vote on the 8/15/05 minutes until the next regularly scheduled meeting. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Arturi and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
A. A letter was received from the Gunn Historical Museum stating they will be replacing gutters on the back of the building. The gutters will be exactly the same except for a "leaf guard".
B. A notice from Janet Hill, Land Use Coordinator regarding compliance with PA 05-124 which states no permits may be filed until the holder of any conservation or preservation restriction has been notified.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Arturi.
Mr. Treadway adjourned the meeting at 9:35PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
August 15, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. TalbotMEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Arturi, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Diller, Mr.& Mrs. Greenfield, Mr. DiBenedetto, Ms. Dedell, Mr. Shapiro, Mr. Hinkel
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Modification of plans approved 6/29/05 re: ext. lights, east window and reduction of shed coverage
In the absence of Mr. Treadway, the Vice Chairman, Mr. Smith agreed to chair the meeting. He opened the Public Hearing at 7:37PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by Ronald and Nancy Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to modify plans approved 6/29/05 regarding exterior lights, east window and reduction of shed coverage. Mr. Smith read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 8/7/05. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway. Mr. Chute recused himself in order to present his application.
The members looked at a new set of plans(rec'd 8/3/05) drawn by Halper Owens Architects. Mr. Chute explained he is reducing coverage back to the existing. He withdrew his application with ZBA to expand the footprint. Mr. Chute said the shed roof (dwg.#201) is being reduced as shown on the drawing. As a result, he said, the east window can be accommodated in the proper place and will match the other windows.
Mr. Chute said he would be installing an 18th century reproduction lantern (14" weathered brass) by the back door. Mrs. Boyer asked about spotlights. There will be none. Mr. Chute said he would like to have a motion sensor light by the garage doors. He asked the members for suggestions. Mr. Talbot said he would like to see a small hooded sensor light that would shine down. Mr. Chute said he would bring in a picture for Mr. Talbot and Mrs. Boyer to check out.
Mr. Smith asked if there were any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by Ronald and Nancy Chute, 8 Kirby Road, for modification of plans approved 6/29/05 re: exterior lights, east window and reduction of shed coverage. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 3-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Greenfield /12 Ives Road /Dismantle existing barn and rebuild on same footprint.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:57PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, to dismantle the existing barn and rebuild on same footprint. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 8/7/05. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Chute for Mr. Arturi. Mr. and Mrs. Greenfield were present along with their architect, Mr. Diller.
Mr. Diller noted the existing barn is across the driveway from the main house. The members looked at photos of the barn taken from several different views.
Mr. Smith asked if the barn is currently used as a garage and for storage. Mr. Greenfield said an engineer advised them a year ago not to use the barn as a garage because the floor was in danger of collapsing. He said they would like to save the existing barn but everyone they have consulted with has advised against it due to damage from insects and dry rot.
Mr. Diller said the present barn is one and one-half stories. The new one will be a full two stories. He added, their intention is to create a new building with similar size and street presence. Mr. Chute asked if the new structure would be used as a garage. Mr. Diller replied there would be a one bay garage and small living space on the bottom floor, living space on the second floor and an unfinished basement for mechanicals. Mr. Diller said they intend to use as many of the original materials as possible.
The Commissioners continued to discuss the plans and photos. Mr. Diller said they want to keep the barn more simple than the house. They discussed the heating and air conditioning. Mr. Talbot suggested they come back to the Commission when they decide on the location for the condensers. Mr. Talbot asked about any new outside lighting. Mr. Greenfield said they would probably use a lantern similar to one on the main house. He said he would bring in a picture. Mr. Smith said there is no need for an antique lantern.
Mr. Greenfield said his request to Mr. Diller was to make the barn as simple and authentic looking as possible. Mr. Smith noted that one of the Commission's basic principles is that a new building needs to be distinguished from the main building; keep it functional, plain and simple, but don't make it look antique. All agreed.
Mr. Talbot asked Mr. Diller if he could show the lines of the existing barn on the drawing so the members could see the increase in mass. The members discussed briefly the Zoning regulation regarding the height of an accessory structure. Mr. Talbot suggested Mr. Diller speak with the Zoning Officer, Mr. Ajello.
Mr. Smith asked if there was anyone in the audience who would like to speak for or against this project. Mr. DiBenedetto, 214 Calhoun Street, said he would like to speak in favor. He said the rest of the property has never looked better. Mr. Smith read a letter from Ms. Canning, 119 Calhoun Street, who had seen the plans and also spoke in favor of rebuilding the barn.
Mr. Smith asked if there were any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, to dismantle existing barn and rebuild on same footprint. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 4-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:35PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:38PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Modification of plans approved 6/29/05 re: ext. lights, east window and reduction of shed coverage
Mr. Chute recused himself from this discussion.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any concerns or questions about this application. Mr. Talbot said he thought it was a very successful revision. All agreed.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by Ronald and Nancy Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to modify plans approved on June 29, 2005, regarding exterior lighting, including the fixture by the south door in the garage and a hooded motion sensitive light above the garage doors (to be shown to two commissioners for final approval) and the east window as shown on the plans (A100, A101, A102, A201, A202, and A301 all dated 7/19/05 as prepared by Halper Owens Architects) presented 8/15/05 and also the reduction of the shed coverage as shown on the same plans. This work is to be completed by December 30, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 3-0.
Greenfield /12 Ives Road /Dismantle existing barn and rebuild on same footprint.
Mr. Smith seated Mr. Chute for Mr. Arturi. He asked the members if they needed any further discussion on this application. No.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 3, 2005, by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road to dismantle the existing barn and build a structure according to the plans submitted 8/3/05 and presented 8/15/05 with two stipulations: any changes required by regulations concerning height or other features will require a revised application, and that details concerning air conditioning and mechanicals will require separate approval. This work is to be completed by August 15, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 7/18/05 minutes as written. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Other Business
Mr. Smith said that Mr. Treadway, Vice Chairman, would chair the Commission meetings for the rest of this year. A new chairman will be elected after the first of the year.
Mr. & Mrs. Francis Aeschliman (Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, received a Certificate of Appropriateness on 7/19/04 to screen an existing front porch. The work was never done. As per HDC regs, they will come to the next scheduled meeting, 9/19/05, to request an extension of this approval for another year.
James Calhoun House, LLC /156 Calhoun Street /PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION - addition to existing house.
Ms. Dedell and Mr. Shapiro were present with their architect, Mr. Hinkel. The brought plans and photos along with a site plan (which they did not leave). Ms. Dedell said that she and Mr. Hinkel met Mrs. Picton and Mr. Graney and went through the house.
Mr. Talbot asked what exactly they are proposing. Mr. Hinkel replied repair to the siding, trim and wood roof. He added the upstairs windows must be replaced, they will match existing. Mr. Talbot said the Commission would need a spec sheet describing the windows and doors.
Mr. Hinkel said the stairs are very steep. They will save the original stairs and put new stairs in the addition which will conform to the building code. He said they lowered the ridge on the addition roof after meeting with Mrs. Picton.
Mr. Smith remarked on the mass of the addition. He said the Commission wants to make sure that any additions, particularly from the front, don't overwhelm the original part of the house.
Mr. Chute left the meeting at 9:30PM as he was not feeling well. Before leaving, he commented the drawing looks Georgian, like another era. He thought they may have gone a bit too far.
Mr. Smith asked about the increase in square feet. The existing house is 2,397sqft and the proposed increase is 2,289sqft. Mr. Smith added, the addition should be simple - not fancier than the original house. Mr. Hinkel said dormers are found on primitive houses. Mrs. Boyer said she is overwhelmed by the windows which make the addition seem even larger. The addition seems so massive compared to the original house which is a special house in town. Ms. Dedell commented that they have been told not to try to make something look old. Mr. Hinkel said they have tried to take the best of the old and make something new.
Mr. Talbot said it is a tough job to take a simple farm house and add to it in an appropriate way. He said the addition is not that big, but it reads massively. He asked if the roof could be adjusted and still keep the bedrooms. Mr. Hinkel replied bringing it down any more is not practical. Ms. Dedell said this drawing is the sixth revision - it was much bigger.
Mr. Talbot asked Ms. Dedell if this is for her use or speculative. She replied we may live here. Mr. Talbot asked if there might be other possible development of the property. Ms. Dedell replied there were no other plans.
Mr. Smith stated this is a preliminary discussion and he feels the discussion tonight has identified some of the issues they will face with the Commission at a Public Hearing. Ms. Dedell said no one would live in that tiny house and other houses in the district are being added onto. Mr. Smith replied they might get approved and they might not.
Mr. Talbot noted this is one of the most critical houses in the district - change happens - our charge is to approve an addition that is appropriate. Someone driving by will perceive mass. If you come back with this - it's too busy with all the windows. Mr. Shapiro said this view is never seen from the street. Mr. Smith and Mr. Talbot asked for a 3D view to make it easier for the Commission to visualize the setback. Mr. Smith said the issue the members are confronted with is the sense of size and the massiveness in relation to the existing house.
Correspondence
The Commission received an e-mail inquiring about the use of vinyl siding at 22 Sunny Ridge Road. Mr. Talbot will look up some information regarding vinyl siding. He said he does not think it is the greatest and there may be some disadvantages over the long run using vinyl siding. When vinyl siding is applied, care must be used to make it appear as unobtrusive as possible around windows and corner boards. A resident may apply, but there is no guarantee of approval.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Boyer.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 10:35PM.
Dated August 26, 2005,
By Martha T. Shade, Clerk
July 18, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBER-ELECT PRESENT: Mr. Arturi
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
ALSO PRESENT: Mr. Ross, Mr. Yellen, Ms. Canning, First Selectman Mr. SearsPUBLIC HEARINGS
Greenfield /12 Ives Road /split rail fence, plantings.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005, by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, for a privacy fence. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 7/10/05. Mr. Graney asked the members if any of them had a conflict of interest regarding this application. There were none. He seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot, and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway. Mr. James Ross represented Mr. Greenfield.
Mr. Ross discussed the site plan(rec'd 7/5/05)with the members and explained the plan to plant eight 6ft hemlock trees and some smaller plantings in front of the privacy fence. Also, a split rail fence will be installed along the path that runs up the hillside and evergreens will be planted in front of it. The purpose of the split rail fence is to give more emphasis to the fact that this is an agricultural district.
Mrs. Rives asked whatever happened to the fact that Mr. Greenfield was asked to lower the fence. Mr. Graney replied it is a low fence - less than 6ft tall. Where the fence is located just makes it look taller. Mr. Ross said they are trying to resolve the problem and will consider any suggestions the members offer.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. No. He asked if anyone else present had any comments in support of or against the application. There were none. Mr. Graney read an e-mail from Mr. Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, in which Mr. Beck stated that a simple row of evergreens would be attractive and suitable. The e-mail is in the applicant file and a copy is filed with these minutes.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005 by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, for a privacy fence. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 7:53PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /stonework, lighting, garage doors.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:55PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/5/05 by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street for stonework, lighting and garage doors. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 7/10/05. Mr. Graney asked the members if they had a conflict of interest regarding this application. No one did. He seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway. Mr. Yellen, Contractor, was present to represent Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow.
Mr. Graney noted that Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow received a Certificate of Appropriateness over a year ago and they were to come back to the Commission for final approval on outside lighting and garage doors. Additional items have been completed without approval: piers at end of stone walls, mortar and stone steps, inset lights at stone wall openings, exterior lighting around garage.
Mr. Yellen said the original stone walls were straight. The columns at the end of the stone walls now come up 1ft. He stated he was not aware that they could not cap the stone walls. Mr. Yellen said the Commission did not want him to use coach lamps, so he installed inset lights in the stone walls at both driveway entrances because it is dangerous at night. He said the new set of access steps over the stone wall were built so the gas man can step over and fill the gas tanks.
Mr. Chute said they should have done something more in keeping with the area - you're asking us to approve what you've already done. The members looked at and discussed the photos(submitted 7/11/05) and a site plan(2/9/04). It was determined that the garage doors are not very visible from the public way. Mr. Smith commented, if you look at the photos, it looks like a lot of stone work.
Mr. Graney asked if the members had any additional questions. No.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005, by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, for stonework, lighting and garage doors. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:10PM.
MOTION: To reopen the Public Hearing for Certificate of Appropriateness for Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to allow for comments from the public, either supporting or against the application. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney reconvened the Public Hearing for Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street at 8:12PM. He seated the members and alternates.
Mr. Graney asked if anyone wanted to speak in favor of the application. There was no one to speak in favor. He asked if anyone present was opposed to the application.
Sandra Canning, 119 Calhoun Street, said she would like to comment on the 'continuing difficulty of fitting this project into the Calhoun-Ives District'.
She quoted from the 11/25/03 minutes in which three of the Commissioners agreed that the renovations at 97 Calhoun Street go against the rural agricultural character of the district.
At a meeting on 1/11/04, two of the members, as well as Ms. Canning, expressed their concerns that the area along Calhoun Street is slipping into a suburban mode and slowly losing the feeling of openness.
In a letter to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow dated 1/22/04, then Commission Chairman Smith noted the serious, continuing reservations about the appropriateness of what they are proposing in the rural Calhoun-Ives District.
Ms. Canning concluded by stating that these consistent concerns about suburbanization should be applied to this meeting's issue of lights and pillars.
The complete text of Ms. Canning's comments is in the applicant file and a copy is filed with these minutes.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005, by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, for stonework, lighting and garage doors. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:20PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:23PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
Greenfield /12 Ives Road /split rail fence, plantings.
The members discussed the application. Mr. Smith commented this fence has been an ongoing issue. Mr. Graney said Mr. Greenfield did come to the Commission with his attorney. After that meeting Mr. Greenfield thought the problem was resolved, but he was supposed to come back to HDC with some different fence designs and never did. Mr. Graney explained that it was about this time Mr. Smith stepped down and he took over as Chairman.
Based on the fact that fences aren't permanent, Mr. Graney said Atty. Miles told him that a precedent would not be set by approving this application. Each application is different. When the fence needs to be rebuilt, Mr. Greenfield (or whoever the owner might be) will have to come back to HDC for approval.
The Commission continued to discuss the application and ways to penalize people who build without approvals. Mrs. Rives said a fence does not have as great an affect on the district as some of the houses do.
Mr. Graney said Mr. Greenfield does understand the fence is not permanent. He understands HDC procedures and he understands his error. Mr. Smith said he hopes Mr. Greenfield understands - less visible and apply first.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any more comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005, by James Greenfield, 12 Ives Road for the privacy fence built along the southern edge of the pool with the following conditions:
Evergreens will be planted along the pathway, at the location just below the privacy fence, to hide the view of the fence from the public way to minimize its effect to passers-by as they are introduced to the district, especially during the winter months. Construct a (four or three rail) split rail fence along the entire length of the pathway from the southwest corner of the property, leading east along the pathway up to the junction of the lawn and garden located approximately 100ft west of the southwest corner of the main house as shown on the site plan submitted July 5, 2005. This work is to be completed by July 18, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Mr. Sears asked for Privilege of the Floor. He thanked Mr. Arturi for accepting the position as a new member on the Commission to fill the vacancy when Mr. Graney leaves. Mr. Sears took the opportunity to thank Mr. Graney for his service to the community and his hard work as Chairman. In addition, he let all of the members know how much he appreciates the job they do.
Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /stonework, lighting, garage doors.
The Commissioners looked at the photos of the garage doors and the stone work. Mr. Graney said he assumed they were referring to lighting on structures, but subsequently they put lighting in the stonework. Mr. Chute said he is against lights in the stone walls.
Mr. Graney noted that rebuilding of the stone walls was approved but details of the piers were not. He said when stone walls were rebuilt ten years ago, it meant they were just being repaired. The concept now is that they have to be made perfect. The members agreed the piers should be leveled off and the lights removed. The stone wall is too perfect. The mortar in the steps over the stone wall can be seen from the road. One subtle alternative would be wooden steps, or just an opening in the wall.
Mr. Graney asked if there was any opposition to the garage doors. The hinges.
MOTION: To deny the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 5, 2005, by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street:
1. DENY for the piers at end of stone walls and have all of them removed. The piers proposed by the application are dissimilar in design with respect to agricultural features in the district, and thus incongruous with the district as a whole.
2. DENY for the inset lights at piers and have them removed. The light fixtures (inset lights at piers) are not appropriate appurtenant features to an agricultural stone wall and thus are incongruous with the district as a whole.
3. DENY for the stone steps over stone wall for access to propane tanks and have them removed. The mortar stone steps are out of character with an agricultural district. If applicant wants to come back for approval of another design they may do so.
4. APPROVE for the garage doors on condition the aesthetic hinges be removed because the hinges give a false historic impression and are incongruous to an agricultural district.
5. APPROVE the lights on the house.
6. DENY for lights as shown at guest entry piers because their scale is imposing and too grand for an agricultural district.
The APPROVED work is to be completed by July 18, 2006; or else the approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 5/16/05, 6/20/05 and 6/29/05 minutes as written. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Other Business
Mr. Graney read an e-mail from Mr. Beck dated 5/25/05 regarding driveways in general and in particular, the driveway for Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street. He stated the driveway created a more estate-like appearance to a farm house. The e-mail is on file with these minutes.
Mr. Graney told the members how much he appreciated each of them and would miss working on the Commission. His resignation is effective at midnight.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 9:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
June 29, 2005
Public Hearing - Special Meeting
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. & Mrs. Chute, Mr. Owens, First Selectman R. Sears
PUBLIC HEARING
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Restore existing garage and add one story above w/attic space.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore the existing garage and add one story above with attic space. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 6/23/05. Mr. Graney asked the members if any of them had a conflict of interest regarding this application. There were none. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton.
Mr. Owens began by saying he thought it would be appropriate to take up the issues that led the Commission to deny this application at the last meeting. Mr. Graney assured Mr. Owens that the members did discuss the overall character, materials, scale and proportions and massing at the last meeting, and they would be happy to discuss those features with him. The members looked over the drawings (marked rec'd 6/29/05) showing the proposed elevations along with elevations which were previously approved in 2002, but not built.
Mr. Owens explained he is trying to address the Chutes program to make the house viable for them. He noted, relative to the plans approved in 2002, this plan is much more benign. Mr. Graney commented he felt very strongly that everything possible should be done to recess this addition behind the faade of the existing house. Mr. Owens said they pushed the gable on the addition back as far as they possibly could and still allow the elevator to clear. He said the addition is recessed far enough, and will not invade the clarity of the house. He added, the garage is useful space - covered with a simple shed roof, which is not unusual.
Mr. Graney asked Mr. Owens if he could explain to the members how the elevator works with the floor plan. Mr. Owens discussed how difficult it is to get an elevator to fit into an older structure. He said he made every effort to keep the height of the addition down, but cannot lower it any more.
Mr. Talbot asked what the objections were at the last meeting. Mr. Graney replied, the front and side elevation, the shed roof in the same plane as the rest of the house vs breaking it up a bit. The members continued their discussion looking at plans and photos.
Mr. Owens said he thinks it is fine the way it is - he does not want to redesign. Mr. Graney stated that overall, the members never thought the design was a bad thing - they just asked that some changes be considered. Mr. Smith noted there are essential criteria with respect to additions. Fundamentally, Mr. Smith said, what we're talking about is making it clear that an addition is indeed an addition - setting it back is one way. Mr. Owens said by his perspective, pushing it back does not make it better.
The Commission discussed the windows for the addition. They will be Brosco "Boston cottage style" - the closest they could find to the oldest window on the existing house which is over the front door. The new windows 'read' 2005. They discussed the possibility of changing a pair of windows in the living room to just one window. Mr. Owens and Mr. and Mrs. Chute were ok with that and agreed to come back to the Commission when the exact size and location were determined.
Lighting will be the same as discussed at last regular meeting on June 20th. The style change on the eaves is the same as the pattern that surrounds the Green. Mr. Graney said the eave detail of the returns is modern, it's what we do today, it reads 2005. He thought the overall concern regarding setbacks was addressed.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore existing garage and add one story above with attic space. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
SPECIAL MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:47PM, seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton.
Pending Business
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Restore existing garage and add one story above w/attic space.
Mr. Graney observed that three members were present who were not at the June 20th regular meeting. The Commission discussed the application.
Overall character of the addition and its relation to the main house. Mr. Graney said the Chute house is the second most important house on the Green next to the Congregational Church. Does the addition read as secondary to the main house?
Mr. Talbot: Yes it does. The proposal is fine. The addition is bigger than we typically like to see, but they need the elevator and need the space.
Mr. Smith: Yes.
Mrs. Boyer: Yes, the windows in the addition are different from those in the main house.
Scale. Mr. Graney asked the members if there was anything objectionable. No.
Mrs. Rives: I'm just sorry that everything is getting bigger.
Mr. Graney: Your comment is noted. The ridgeline is effected by budget and interior. It is not our purview to discuss budget or interior. The ridgeline is an important feature and they have accommodated as best they can.
Massing. Consider the massing effects; the view from the Congregational Church to the Chute house, how the wall and shed roof appear. Mr. Graney noted the guidelines say to set back an addition but there are functional features that needed to be considered.
Fenestration patterns. The members discussed whether to approve the addition windows conditionally in the motion. Mr. Talbot said Mr. and Mrs. Chute need to determine if changing the window in the living room is going to work for them. It was decided they would come back to HDC for final approval.
Architectural detail. Mr. Graney said he is comfortable with it. All agreed.
Materials. Discussed at June 20th meeting. Clapboards, cornerboards, roof shingles will be same as on existing house. Mr. Talbot asked if there would be any air conditioning units. No.
Lighting. Discussed at June 20th meeting. No spotlights. Copper lanterns instead. Mr. and Mrs. Chute will come back to HDC with final decision on lanterns and location.
Mr. Graney asked if there were any final questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore the existing garage and add one and one-half story above it. The overall character of the proposal as a shed-roof garage extension with a one and one-half story addition above it is in harmony with the history of the property and does not adversely affect the historic integrity of the district. It is clear that the function and program of the proposal affects the shape and massing of the structure. The breaks on the north faade, with respect to the garage wall, shed-roof, the one and one-half story addition and gable roof, reduces the degree of the mass and does not adversely affect the property. This approval is conditional that Mr. and Mrs. Chute return to the Commission to consider final plans and specifications for exterior lighting and the location and dimensions of the northeast window in the east living room. This work is to be completed by December 30, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 9:28PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectively Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
June 20, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. & Mrs. KlemmPUBLIC HEARINGS
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Resurface existing driveway.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/24/05 by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to resurface their existing driveway. He read the legal notice that appeared in Voices on 6/12/05. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Chute for Mrs. Picton. Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were present.
Mr. Graney noted that Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were returning to the Commission after being turned down the previous month to change their driveway entrance. Mr. Klemm said the driveway needs repair. Two of their cars 'bottom-out' when coming into the driveway. He stated the size, shape and location of the driveway would remain the same. The present driveway is crumbling asphalt. The plan is to lay down a new asphalt base and add oiled loose gravel (a grayish-white pea stone) on top. The gravel will give a more country look.
Mr. Graney asked about the cobblestone apron mentioned on the application. Mr. Klemm replied he likes the look of the cobblestone apron, but it is not necessary. When asked how far into the driveway the apron would go, Mrs. Klemm said about 5ft.
The members asked if any new lighting is planned. No. Mr. Graney asked if there were any further questions or comments. There were none. For the record, Mr. Graney noted there was no one else present either for or against the application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 24, 2005, by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to resurface their existing driveway. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 7:48PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Restore existing garage and add one story above w/attic space.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:50PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 25, 2005 by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore their existing garage and add one story above with attic space. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 6/12/05. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Chute recused himself to present his application to the Commission.
Mr. Graney noted that Mr. Chute had received approval from HDC in 2002 for an addition but did not pursue building that addition. He asked Mr. Chute to present his plans.
The existing garage on the east side of the house has a flat roof which is rotting and in need of repair. Mr. Chute and the members looked at the drawings (rec'd 5/25/05) and additional drawings by Reese Owens of existing and proposed elevations (rec'd 6/13/05). Mr. Chute commented that the steps in his house are old and steep. They need another way to get upstairs, so are adding an elevator (which will be in the new structure) from the basement to the 2nd floor.
The members studied the drawings. Mr. Graney suggested they discuss the overall character, scale, massing and materials. Mr. Chute noted the only original window is the one over the front door.
Mrs. Boyer asked how much of the addition would actually be visible from Route 47. Mr. Chute said the whole addition would be visible. He remarked that they have tried to make the addition simple and secondary to the existing house.
Mr. Graney observed that the proposed garage addition will be shallower in depth than the one approved in 2002. Mr. Treadway said there would not be much difference in height. Mr. Chute said the overall size of the addition will be 28'x31'- 868sqft.
Mr. Graney asked if shutters are planned for the windows on the addition. No. Mr. Chute noted the cedar shingles, and clapboards will match those on the existing house. In addition, he would like to add a double spotlight (just like what was there) to light the 5 big stone steps by the back door. Mr. Graney asked if there could be any alternative to the spotlight. Mr. Treadway suggested copper lighting - it fits an old house. Mrs. Boyer said she does not like spotlights and wondered if the Commission could give him permission to install two copper lights instead; one on either side of the garage doors. All agreed that was a good idea.
The Commission continued discussing details of the addition. Mr. Graney said from the drawing it looks like a simple fascia and crown to the roof - no soffit. Mr. Treadway said the simpler the better. He said he likes this plan better than the previously approved one.
Mr. Graney asked if there were any additional questions or comments. There were none. For the record, Mr. Graney noted no one else was present either for or against the application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 25, 2005 by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore existing garage and add one story above with attic space. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 3-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:23PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:25PM, seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Chute for Mrs. Picton.
Pending Business
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Resurface existing driveway.
The Commission looked at the site plan. They discussed the overall character of the property and concluded it is not incongruous at all for the driveway to be resurfaced in the manner stated. The existing relationship would be maintained between the road and the barn. However, they decided the cobblestone apron did not fit in with the simplicity of the house and barn. The members checked the digital photos on the computer in the Land Use Office and confirmed there were no cobblestones on the driveway across the street. Mr. Treadway suggested the cobblestone apron be removed from the approval. All agreed.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 24, 2005, by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to resurface their existing driveway.
The overall character of the proposal, (asphalt driveway, top dressed with small gray stones) while maintaining the direct relationship of the road to the barn, is in harmony with the history of the property and does not adversely affect the historic integrity of the property and district.
The proposed cobblestone apron, at the junction of the driveway with the road, is dissimilar to neighboring properties and its formality is dissimilar to other agricultural properties in the district and adversely affects the simplicity of the property and is thus incongruous to the special character of the district. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Restore existing garage and add one story above w/attic space.
Mr. Chute recused himself at this time so the Commission could discuss his application.
Mr. Graney stated the Commission needs to consider the overall character of this proposal; a garage with living quarters above. He said he would like to see the massing split up - it is such a long shed roof. In addition, he said the members are not architects and should not be in the business of redesigning things. The Commission's job is to say a project is either incongruous or it is not.
Mr. Treadway said he had no problem. It is smaller than what was previously approved.
Mrs. Boyer agreed with Mr. Graney.
Mr. Graney said this house is a significant elevation on the Green.
Mrs. Boyer said she would like to see the front piece rethought - some alternative to break up the massiveness. This house is right in the middle of the strongest historic district.
Mr. Treadway commented it would be good to have Mr. Owens, the architect, come in.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 25, 2005, by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to restore the existing garage and add one story above with attic space; because the Commission would like the applicants and their architect to consider breaking the massiveness of the garage extension shed roof and its lack of offsets on the north and east elevations, due to the significance of this house and its relationship to the special character of the Green and the district as a whole. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 3-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To defer consideration of the 5/16/05 minutes until the next regular meeting on 7/18/05. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 3-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 9:40PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
May 16, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. & Mrs. Klemm
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
PUBLIC HEARING
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Change driveway location.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted April 28, 2005, by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to change their driveway location. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 5/8/05. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway. Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were present.
Mr. Graney noted that other than Mr. and Mrs. Klemm, there were no other interested persons attending the Public Hearing. He asked the members if any of them had a conflict of interest. They did not. Mr. Graney invited Mr. Klemm to present his application to the Commission.
Mr. Klemm began by saying the existing driveway is in need of repair due to snow plow damage, etc. As long as the driveway has to be repaired anyway, Mr. Klemm would like to change it due to the fact that the driveway has a bad 'flow' and with their four cars there is no turning radius. He said Roger Cannavaro, the Town Highway Supervisor, would approve the new driveway cut.
The members looked at the site plan (rec'd 4/28/05) which showed both the existing and proposed driveways. They had gone individually, to check out the new location. Mr. Talbot asked how the new driveway would help in terms of parking. Mr. Klemm replied coming in at the new angle works nicely and makes it easier to turn around. Mr. Talbot asked how the parking area is changing. Mr. Klemm said there would be no change in the parking area, just the connection between the road and parking area. Mrs. Klemm noted the cars will be parked parallel and they will be able to make a full turn without having to back out of the driveway. Mr. Klemm pointed out on the site plan how the cars could park and leave without backing out. Mr. Talbot asked if the parking area would be enlarged. No, the new driveway entrance will allow for a turning radius.
Mrs. Rives asked if it mattered that the new driveway entrance would be directly opposite the one across the street. Mrs. Klemm replied they have taken time to study lights as they would affect the Greenfields (across the street). She added, they want to be considerate and would not do anything to bother them. Mr. Talbot commented that when they leave their house at night, their headlights would sweep the Greenfields house. He asked if there was an alternate route for the driveway. Mr. Klemm replied there is an old wood road that goes behind the barn, but that would be worse because the lights would shine directly into their house. They briefly discussed the possibility of parking in the barn, but Mr. and Mrs. Klemm stated it would be a massive undertaking.
Mrs. Rives asked about the driveway materials. It will have an asphalt base with gravel on top. Mr. Graney asked if there would be cobblestone on the apron. Mr. Klemm said he had not considered it. It is not necessary. Mr. Graney asked if they were planning any stone walls or lighting. No. Mr. Talbot asked if they planned any screening. Mr. Klemm replied they had no landscape design. They will plant grass where the present driveway is located.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any more questions. Mrs. Picton asked if they would be cutting into the slope. Mr. Klemm said yes, they would have to. Mr. Chute asked if there might be a water drainage problem. Mr. Klemm said it's possible, he will ask the excavator. If there is a problem, they will deal with it.
Mr. Talbot said his concerns are: the relationship of the headlights with the neighbors, and the fact that the existing driveway is less suburban than what is being presented. The original driveway was very utilitarian and went straight into the barn; like an old farmhouse. Mr. Klemm remarked that he is concerned with practicality. Presently, he has to back out of his driveway.
Mr. Chute commented that a straight driveway entrance is best for an old farmhouse. He added, it would be better to enlarge the parking area. Mr. Klemm thought it would be ugly to enlarge the parking area. Mr. Talbot said he was having difficulty visualizing how to get four cars parked in the area and still turn around.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional comments or questions. There were none. He thanked Mr. and Mrs. Klemm for coming to the meeting. He reminded them, that if the Commission approved their application, they would need to get permits from Inland-Wetlands and Zoning before doing any work.
Mr. Graney noted for the record that there were no comments, written or spoken, regarding this application.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted April 28, 2005, by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to change their driveway location. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:12PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:14PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Change driveway location.
Mrs. Picton observed that the old farmhouses had a utilitarian aspect - from the road, a wagon could be driven straight into the barn. She would like to see that pattern preserved. It reflects the agricultural history of the district.
Mr. Graney stated, it is the charge of the Commission to protect the overall character of the district. Things change over time and what the Commission does is important as to what it means for the district.
Mr. Smith asked the other members if they thought the current arrangement was attractive or appropriate. Mrs. Picton said it is not unattractive as it is, but a longer driveway and cutting through the knoll is not attractive.
Mr. Graney read from the Rules and Regulations, (page 12, Standards for Determining Appropriateness regarding parking areas and driveways), where it states the Commission must consider size, material, the visibility of cars, location and relation to buildings. The number of cars won't change, but consideration should be given to what this long driveway represents to the district. He asked the members if there were any objections as to how they were looking at this district.
Mr. Talbot observed that most of the driveways in the district were 'straight-in'. He sees two issues: maintaining the relationship between the road and the house, and the sweep of the headlights. Also, there is the question of paving at the apron; whether this is appropriate for the district.
Mr. Smith said the suburban character of opposite driveways has come up in a number of discussions. Mr. Graney noted this is a significant property in the district. The buildings contribute to the nature of this district. He said he understands why Mr. and Mrs. Klemm want to change the driveway. It has caved in on itself. He suggested they build it up to make it new again - make it work.
Mr. Talbot said he was having a hard time deciding and felt he needed more information. He asked if it would be appropriate to have a site visit. Mr. Smith said he was inclined to agree with Mr. Talbot. The existing driveway is not too appealing either. While it is not the role of the Commission to solve a problem, he would like more time to think it over. He said the Commission has had several similar proposals. Mr. Graney said their jurisdiction is not to design, but to approve or deny. He said he understands Mr. Smith and Mr. Talbot but the Commission needs to move forward and take a vote.
Straw vote:
Mr. Talbot - would abstain for lack of information.
Mr. Smith - would abstain.
Mr. Chute - vote to deny for lack of information.
Mrs. Picton - agree with Mr. Chute
A site visit was set for Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 4:30PM.
MOTION: To deny the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/28/05, by Christina & Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to change the entrance of their driveway from the existing location to 30ft west of SNET#1764 as shown on site plan submitted 4/28/05.
The overall character of the proposal, an indirect driveway, is very different with respect to its existing relationship to the buildings/barn and road and will adversely affect the historic integrity of the property. It is significantly different than other properties in the vicinity in this respect, and is incongruous with the historic character of the district.
The location of the proposal relative to the main building on the property changes the historic relationship of the driveway and its approach from the road to the buildings and barn. Other driveways in the immediate vicinity and throughout the district are significantly different in some of these respects. For this reason, the proposal as described in the application is incongruous with the special character of the area. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Chute and denied 0-3-2.
Mr. Chute, Mr. Graney and Mrs. Picton denied.
Mr. Smith and Mr. Talbot abstained.
The members stated the reasons for their votes in the minutes.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 4/18/05 minutes as corrected:
Pg.2, Par.1, Line 5;........delete bedroom.
Pg.4, Par.2, Line 4;.....doors below.
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Other Business
A. Photographs of Historic Districts are on a computer in the Land Use Office. Sunny Ridge photos were taken by Mrs. Rives, Calhoun-Ives by Mrs. Boyer and the Green by Mr. Graney.
B. A brief discussion of Readings by Robert Stipes. Some of the members have not had an opportunity to see the information. Each member will get a copy.
C. Mr. Graney would like for HDC to present an Annual Preservation Award. There are good things that happen in the historic districts such as the burned out barn on Sunny Ridge Road that was rebuilt. He asked the members to try and think of a name for the award. Will discuss at June meeting.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 9:25PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
April 18, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
PUBLIC HEARING
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted March 30, 2005, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, for exterior light fixtures, changes to window openings, driveway location, garage door and exterior garage stair. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 4/10/05. Mr. Graney seated the members. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants were present along with their contractor, Mr. Woodward.
Mr. Godwin went through the list of five items, photographs and drawings and site plan (marked rec'd 3/30/05) for which they are asking approval.
Exterior light fixtures. The Commission looked over the photographs of light fixtures and drawing A2.01. The drawing showed where the fixtures would be on the house. Type A, wall mounted lantern will be on either side of the front door. The members asked what the wattage would be. Mr. Godwin replied about 60 to 75 watts. Mr. Pleasants suggested they could modify the lanterns to have a candelabra base. That way nothing higher than 60 watts could be used. The members thought that would be good. Mr. Talbot commented that it is good to minimize exterior lighting so the area does not glow at night.
The members discussed the Type B ceiling fixture for the front porch. Mr. Treadway said that fixture will not be visible from the road. Mr. Talbot said he had no problem.
Change window openings on south elevation. The Commission studied drawing A6.02. Mr. Godwin explained they would like to eliminate two windows in a second floor bedroom because one is now in a closet and the other just looks out over the roof. At the same time, they would like to move two windows together and add a window in the attic bedroom. Mr. Pleasants said these changes cannot be seen from Calhoun Street. Mrs. Picton noted that, on colonial revival houses, windows are often placed together. She suggested these two windows could be centered above the doors below. Mr. Talbot commented that the attic window would look better if it could be centered under the gable. Mr. Woodward said that would not be a problem. Mr. Godwin will send a new drawing to Mr. Talbot and Mr. Graney for approval.
Driveway relocation. The members studied the site plan. Mr. Godwin stated they would like to relocate the driveway entrance to the north of the existing driveway. The Commission had previously approved a driveway entrance to the south of the existing driveway. If approved, the north driveway will be staggered from that of the neighbor across the street. Also, it will be a shorter driveway than the one previously approved and it will not cut through the field. Mr. Treadway said he preferred this driveway over the other one. It is better to see the unbroken stone wall and field. Mrs. Picton asked if they plan any lighting along the driveway or by the road. No.
Garage doors. Mr. Godwin said they would like to use the same garage doors, which were previously approved by the Commission; only the "X" design on the door face will be deleted and the windows will be four over four. The members agreed that would be fine. Mr. Graney asked if they could submit a new drawing for the garage doors. Yes. On the drawing, a lantern is shown between the garage doors. Mr. Woodward thought the Type C lantern would look best to the left of the garage doors. That was agreeable to all.
Existing garage stairs. The Commission looked at drawing A1.04, which shows an existing deck and an existing stair on the garage. Mr. Godwin pointed out that they originally intended to remove the stairs and keep the deck. That action was approved by the Commission. Now, in addition to keeping the deck, they want to keep the stairs as well. Mrs. Picton drove by the area and said little can be seen from Calhoun Street; just some of the railing and deck. Mr. Treadway also drove by and agreed with Mrs. Picton. Mr. Pleasants commented a large rock ledge obstructs the view. Lighting was discussed. Mr. Graney said a light on the wall or a step light would be ok. Mr. Woodward thought it would be good to line up a light with the bottom stair.
Mr. Graney asked the members if there were any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted March 30, 2005, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, for exterior light fixtures, changes to window openings, driveway location, garage door and exterior garage stair. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:32PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:33PM and seated the members.
Pending Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Exterior light fixtures, changes to window openings, driveway location, garage door and exterior garage stair.
Mr. Graney asked the members to consider each item.
Driveway. Mr. Talbot liked the idea that the new driveway will not be disturbing the hillside and not making a grand statement. All agreed.
Garage. The Commission agreed the change in the garage doors would be an improvement.
Stairs. An existing condition - not a problem.
Exterior lighting. The members agreed the ceiling fixture and other lighting fixtures discussed were acceptable.
Windows. As discussed in the Public Hearing, the attic window should be centered on the ridgeline and the pairing of the second floor windows should be centered over the doors. The members approved subject to approval of a new drawing.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted March 30, 2005, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to:
1) Add exterior light fixtures, as shown in submitted photographic documentation, titled:
Type A, lanterns flanking the front door, Type B, ceiling mount for front porch, and Type C, lanterns for all secondary entrances, With the condition that the fixtures be changed to a candelabra-type so that the bulb wattage is limited to 60 watts. Other specifications for light fixtures include the relocation of the garage light from between the garage doors to between the faade window and the western garage door, and a Type D, wall-mount lantern, to be located at the foot of the exterior garage stairs. (Specifications for the candelabra Type D lantern will be sent to the Land Use Office for the record.) (Stamped received and dated__________.)
2)Approve the conceptual change of the window openings on the south elevation as shown in drawing A6.02. The details include:
Center the attic window below the ridge; and Pair the small bedroom windows together and its location will have some relationship to the French doors below. A finalized elevation drawing A6.02 (Stamped received and dated 4-20-05) sent to the Land Use Office and subject to final approval by Peter Talbot and Paul Graney as signed and dated on the drawing.
3)Change the driveway location as shown on site plan (Stamped received and dated 3-30-05) under the following conditions:
A dry-laid stone wall will be built in the existing driveway opening to continue the stone wall that is parallel to Calhoun Street, and The approved driveway, according to the C of A, dated November 15, 2004, is null and void. 4) To keep the existing exterior garage stairs as shown in drawing A1.04 and to utilize the wall-mount Type D lantern (see #1 above) at the foot of the stairs.
5) To eliminate the "X" and "Horizontal Band" details on the garage doors, and to change the light features on the garage doors from a three-over-three to a four-over-four configuration. (Garage drawing received and dated 4-20-05.)
This work is to be completed by April 18, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 3/21/05 minutes as corrected:
Pg.2, Par.3, Line 11;.....that The Gunnery had installed the fence.
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 4-0-1, Mr. Talbot abstaining.
Other Business
A. Memo to Kyte & Surnow re: 97 Calhoun Street. Mr. Graney read into the record, the memo he sent to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow regarding his meeting with their contractor, Mr. Yellen. At this meeting, they did a walk-through and listed outstanding items that have been done without HDC approval. Mr. Yellen said he expected to come to the Public Hearing in May.
B. Photographs of Historic Districts. Letters will be sent to residents of the three Historic Districts informing them that a photographic survey of the districts will be accomplished within the next two to three weeks. All photos will be taken from the public way.
C. Mr. Graney spoke with Mrs. Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, regarding the fence. She told Mr. Graney that she thought the fence issue was all settled since they came to a meeting. The Greenfields expect to be out of town for a while. Mr. Graney will send another letter.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
March 21, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. TreadwayMEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mr. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
PUBLIC HEARING
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Extend existing stockade fence.
Mr. Treadway opened the Public Hearing at 7:38PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted February 28, 2005, by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to extend an existing stockade fence. He read the legal notice, which appeared in Voices on 3/13/05. Mr. Treadway seated Members Picton, Smith and Treadway and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney. Mr. Chute was there to represent himself.
Mr. Treadway asked Mr. Chute to present his application to the Commission. Mr. Chute explained that at some time in the past, The Gunnery tore down a barn and turned the space into a parking area. He said they also put up the existing stockade fence, which does not completely cover the parking lot. The Gunnery did not continue the fence because Dr. Fearon (previous owner of 8 Kirby Road) needed access to his house by means of a right of way through the parking area because at the time there was no other driveway. Since Mr. Chute now has another driveway, he wants to put up the stockade fence to block the view of the parking lot. The Commission looked at the photos and site plan and discussed them with Mr. Chute.
Mr. Chute said he has tried to plant trees and also a privet hedge, but neither worked because the area is too shady. Mr. Treadway asked if the fence would be visible from the road. Yes, Mr. Chute showed him the photo of the view from the road. Mr. Treadway asked how long the fence would be. Fifty feet.
Mr. Treadway read the Commission a note from Mr. Graney. Mr. Chute commented that the Rubensteins did not put up the stockade fence; the Gunnery did. Mr. Treadway read again from the note, which stated, 'recent conversations with Bob Ullram and Susan Graham confirmed that The Gunnery did not put up the fence'.
Mr. Chute pointed out the site plan, which he revised on 3/9/05, to confirm that the stockade fence would now be on his property and not a continuation of the existing stockade fence on Gunnery property. He said the Zoning officer told him it was The Gunnery's responsibility to block off the view of the parking area. Mr. Chute said The Gunnery has been very nice in allowing the right of way so he wants to pay for the fence.
Mrs. Picton said she did not have a problem with the stockade fence and asked if it would be a standard stockade fence. Yes. Mrs. Rives also had no problem with the fence. Mr. Treadway agreed, but just for the record, he repeated that The Gunnery did not put up the fence. It was put up by the Rubensteins. Mr. Chute asked Mr. Treadway if he was certain of that. Mr. Treadway replied that Mr. Graney had looked into the Land Use records and the Rubensteins had never gone through the application process; neither had anyone else. Mr. Chute replied that he was the one who had mistakenly told Mr. Graney that the Rubensteins had installed the fence, but they had not; The Gunnery did.
Mr. Treadway asked if there were any more questions or discussion.
Mr. Smith asked Mr. Chute if The Gunnery is happy with the fence going up. Yes. Mr. Treadway said as long as The Gunnery and neighbors do not object, it works well for all parties.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to extend existing stockade fence. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Mr. Treadway closed the Public Hearing at 7:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 7:46PM, seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney.
Pending Business
Chute /8 Kirby Road /Extend existing stockade fence.
Mr. Treadway asked the members if they were ready to vote. All agreed they were.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted February 28, 2005, by Ronald K. and Nancy S. Chute, 8 Kirby Road, to construct a stockade fence 50ft long and 8ft high within their property line as shown on the site plan submitted 2/28/05 and revised 3/09/05. This work is to be completed by March 21, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 2/14/05 minutes as written. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 4-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Treadway adjourned the meeting at approximately 7:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
February 14, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Smith, Mrs. PictonMEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:03PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway, Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton. Mrs. Picton arrived at 7:05PM.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 1/10/05 minutes as written. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
Since the January meeting, Mr. Graney wrote a letter to Mr. Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, explaining items needed to make his application complete. He read an e-mail from Mr. Beck stating he was out of town and expected to be at the March meeting. Mr. Graney also wrote a letter to Mr. Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, asking if they could either meet in person or discuss the fence issue on the phone. So far Mr. Greenfield has not responded.
Mr. Graney said the Selectmen notified him that there is money in the HDC budget to purchase a digital camera in order to make a record of the three districts. Mr. Graney would like to update the photos each year. He explained that the photos would not be archival because digital photos can be manipulated. They will be just for HDC records. Mr. Graney said he is willing to take the photos and some of the other members volunteered to help.
Other Business
The members agreed to elect the same officers for 2005.
MOTION: To re-elect the present slate of Historic District Commission officers for 2005: Mr. Graney - Chairman Mr. Treadway - Vice Chairman and Mr. Talbot - Secretary. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 7:10PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade,
Secretary
January 10, 2005
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Woodward
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadePUBLIC HEARING
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Install pedestal for electrical service.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/23/04, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to install a pedestal for electrical service. He read the legal notice which appeared in the Waterbury Republican on Monday, January 3, 2005. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton. Mr. Woodward, contractor for Calhoun Street LLC, represented them.
Mr. Woodward stated at present, the meter box is on the side of the house. The electrical service is going to be upgraded from 200 to 400amps. He said he did not think the Commission would want to see a huge meter box on the side of the house. Therefore, they thought a pedestal would be a better choice.
Mr. Talbot noted the meter box at the Housing Trust is hidden behind doors. He said CL&P has a new way of reading meters. Mr. Woodward said he would check with someone at CL&P. He asked the members if they would prefer the electrical meter to be covered on the side of the house. Mr. Talbot said he does not like the pedestals and would prefer to see the meter enclosed on the house. All the other members agreed.
Mr. Graney asked if the meter could be recessed. Mr. Woodward replied CL&P would not allow the meter to be recessed. Mr. Treadway said the new meters are quite compact. Mrs. Rives asked if CL&P would drive into the driveway to read the meter. Yes.
Mr. Graney asked Mr. Woodward his thoughts regarding the electrical meters. Mr. Woodward said installing the meter on the house would be just fine with him and CL&P does not care whether it is on the house or on a pedestal.
Mr. Woodward said the meter cover would be painted the same color as the house. He indicated the location of the meter box on the house as shown on the site plan (rec'd 12/23/04); also, on the front elevation and floor plan (submitted 1/10/05). The Commission agreed it would not be that visible from a public way.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/23/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to install a pedestal for electrical service. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:12PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:15PM, seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton.
Pending Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Install pedestal for electrical service.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/23/04, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to construct a meter enclosure for electrical/cable/phone services as shown on site plan dated 12/23/04 and house plan and exterior elevation dated 1/10/05. This work is to be completed by January 10, 2006; or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 12/13/04 minutes as written. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
Mr. Graney read the members an e-mail from Mr. Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, regarding items and information needed to make his application complete. He also asked about progress on the Greenfield fence issue at 12 Ives Road.
Since Mr. Beck's house is such an important one in the Calhoun-Ives District, the members want to make sure they have all the information needed to decide on any future Certificates of Appropriateness. Mr. Graney will contact Mr. Beck.
The Greenfield fence issue is ongoing. Mr. Graney would like to meet with Mr. Greenfield.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 8:45PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
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