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December 13, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 7:38PM. He seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 11/15/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.1, Par.2, Line 14, .....in the driveway.
Pg.5, Par.1, Line 8, .....do a three dimensional.....
By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Treadway adjourned the meeting at 8:47PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
November 15, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Beck, Mr. Godwin, Mr. PleasantsPUBLIC HEARING
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Relocate driveway, alterations to stone wall.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:33PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/1/04, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to relocate the driveway and make alterations to the stone wall. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 11/7/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants were present.
The members looked at the site plan (rec'd 10/13/04) and two photos (rec'd 11/1/04). Mr. Godwin indicated on the site plan where they would like to move the driveway.
Mr. Godwin showed the members the photo of a wide spot between two large maple trees where they would like the new driveway. Their engineer told them the maples would not be disturbed. The area has been staked. Mr. Godwin said they would like to add stone pillars (like the ones shown in photo rec'd 11/1/04) to give a finished look to the stone wall on either side of the new driveway. Mr. Graney asked if the pillars would be wider than the stone wall. Just a little. He asked if they intended to put a cap on the pillar. Yes, a rough one. Mr. Graney asked what necessitated the change in the stone wall. Mr. Godwin replied the present driveway is directly across from the neighbor's driveway. He pointed out that it would be nice to stagger the driveways because at night, headlights are directed toward their nieghbor's house. Mr. Pleasants agreed - it would give everyone more privacy. Mr. Smith asked if they intended to add some trees. Yes.
Mrs. Picton stated she has no problem with the location of the new driveway or with the way it is sited along the stone wall. However, she is not sure about the pillars. She would rather see the stone wall just end - it might suggest that at one time it was a continuous stone wall. Mr. Treadway said he agrees with Mrs. Picton; without the pillars the stone wall looks more farm-like and appropriate for the area. Mrs. Rives commented that most other stone walls in the area are plain. Mr. Pleasants stated they were agreeable to eliminating the columns on the stone wall.
Mr. Graney acknowledged that Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants have spent a lot of time, effort and energy on this project and that is commendable. Initially, Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants stated they would be living in the house, then, subsequently, someone was interested in buying the property. Now, with the driveway relocation, there is the potential that the back lot could be subdivided. For the record, Mr. Graney asked what their plans are for the back lot. Is there a possibility they might subdivide? NO. Mr. Godwin stated if they intended to build on the back lot, the old farm road is already there and that could be used to get to the back. He said they have no intention of dividing the lot. Mr. Pleasants agreed - they do not intend to subdivide. He added, the Commission could make that condition a part of the approval if it wants. Mr. Graney said that would not legally bind them. Mr. Treadway asked how much land there is altogether. Mr. Godwin said about fifteen acres and the back lot is probably five acres. Mr. Graney thanked Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants for their comments and said he just wanted to include them in the record.
Mrs. Picton asked if the driveway is to be gravel or paved. Mr. Godwin said they intend to use taupe colored pea gravel. Mr. Pleasants said they just want it to look like an old gravel road. Mr. Chute lives in a historic district and discussed the type of gravel he used for his driveway. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants expressed interest in using the same materials.
Mr. Graney noted the stone walls seem to be in good shape and asked Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants if they plan to rebuild them. Mr. Pleasants said no, the walls look good. They will be extending the stone wall past the existing driveway and will match as nearly as possible the existing wall. It will have a worn look, no mortar, just dry-laid. Mr. Graney asked if the Commission could note for the record that any contractor they choose will just build the wall to the contours of the landscape - no straight lines. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants agreed.
Mr. Graney asked if there were any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/1/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to relocate the driveway and alter the stone wall. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:57PM, seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Relocate driveway, alteration to stone wall.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they were ready to vote on this application. All agreed they were. Mr. Smith noted there seemed to be a consensus for pillars not to be part of the approval.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 11/1/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to relocate the driveway according to the site plan submitted 10/13/04 with native grit stone over a gravel driveway and alter the stone wall with a 12 foot natural cut for the driveway with no attached columns (unarticulated opening in stone wall) and to minimize the impact to the natural berm, and to continue the dry-laid stone wall along Calhoun Street approximately 120 feet beyond the existing driveway entrance. Stone wall to adhere to natural contours of the landscape. This work is to be completed by November 15, 2005 or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Beck /129 Calhoun Street /PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION addition to existing house.
Mr. Beck brought some drawings of the proposed addition (which he did not leave). He explained, with the addition he will have an "L" shaped house with two small extensions. Mr. Beck said as the house stands today, it is a two bedroom house with a small maid's room next to the kitchen.
Mr. Treadway asked Mr. Beck the height of the addition. It will be below the other roof lines of the house. Mr. Treadway asked how far the addition will be set back from the existing house. About 15 feet. Mrs. Picton asked if there will be any change in floor levels between the existing house and the addition. There will be no difference in floor level. Mr. Treadway asked how much bigger the addition will be than the existing house. It will be almost twice as big.
Mr. Smith asked about the addition on the back. Mr. Beck said it is a 3-car garage with one bedroom and bath upstairs along with 3 small rooms with very high windows used for office space. Mr. Smith asked about increase in square footage. Mr. Beck was not sure - will have square footage the next time he comes.
Mr. Beck said he intends to stake out the site where the addition is to be built so the Commission can go out and have a look.
Mr. Graney listed items Mr. Beck will need for a formal presentation:
Site plan - existing and proposed Elevations - existing and proposed Photos of existing house Floor plan showing existing and proposed Also, Mr. Graney suggested that Mr. Beck have someone do a drawing showing what the house will look like with the addition.
HDC Calendar for 2005
MOTION: To accept the Historic District Commission Calendar for the year 2005. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 10/18/04 minutes as corrected: Pg.3, Par.7, Line 2, .....the transom windows ..... Pg.5, Par. 1, Line 4, .....replaced in-kind in..... By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 8:40PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Clerk
October 18, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Godwin, Mr. Pleasants, Mr. WoodwardPUBLIC HEARING
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Relocate driveway, siding on garage and connector, extend addition and change roof line.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted October 1, 2004, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to relocate driveway, determine siding for garage and connector, extend living room and change roof line. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 10/10/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants were present along with their General Contractor, Sean Woodward.
Mr. Treadway said he did not think the driveway location should be discussed because the stakes had not been installed in time for members to see them before the meeting. Mrs. Boyer had some questions about the stone wall but since the stone wall is related to the driveway relocation, it was agreed to delay this discussion until next month.
Mr. Godwin said they would like to extend the living room by six feet and change the roof over the living room from a shed roof to a gable roof. The members studied the drawings (marked rec'd. 10/13/04). Mr. Treadway said he thinks the roof change looks better.
Mr. Godwin said the siding on the garage and connector will be shingle to differ from the house which is clapboard. The windows and door on the connector are asymmetrical as shown in the drawing. He noted that the drawings show windows on the garage/guest house to be six over six. If the Commission approves, they would like to keep the existing windows which are four over four. The existing windows are in good condition and they would like to keep them. In addition, they will be different from the windows on the main house. Mr. Graney asked if hoods would be added over the windows like those in the drawing. Yes. Mr. Godwin said hoods are going to be added over the existing four over four windows. Mr. Graney asked about windows in the connector. They will be six over six just like the house. Mr. Treadway said it looks fine.
Mr. Woodward noted that the Commission had asked about outside lighting at the last meeting. As of this date, Mr. Pleasants has not been able to find the antique lights he wants. Mr. Woodward said the building code requires a source of light for each exterior door. He said they will come back to HDC when they decide on the lights.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any questions about the roof. They did not. He asked Mr. Godwin if he had given any thought to reducing the height of the gable. No.
Mr. Graney asked if there were any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/1/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to relocate driveway, determine siding for garage and connector, extend living room addition and change roof line. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 3-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:57PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Relocate driveway, siding on garage and connector, extend addition and change roof line.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any problems with the proposed changes. Mr. Treadway and Mrs. Boyer said they did not. Mr. Graney stated he has a problem with the increase in mass and the height of the gable.
Mr. Treadway noted that only the gable would be seen from the road. Mr. Graney commented the shed roof would not be as visible. Mr. Treadway said there is no question that the addition will add to the overall mass, but the little bit that can be seen from the road does not give him a problem.
Mr. Godwin showed the Commission some photos of the house from the road and discussion continued regarding how much of the gable would be visible. He said they are extending the living room in order to make it more functional for a prospective buyer and the gable roof works better with the extension. Mr. Graney wondered when does it end - when is enough enough.
Mr. Godwin wanted to know if the Commission gave any consideration to the improvements they have made to the house; the money they have spent and amount of work they have done to make the house look so much better than it did before. The members agreed that they have no argument with any of that. However, Mr. Graney said, big is an issue. It seems now that bigger is better. How much space does a person need?
Mrs. Boyer asked what would happen if they lowered the gable? Mr. Treadway agreed with that idea.
Mr. Woodward studied the plans and decided the gable could be reduced by lowering the transome windows over the french doors and bringing the eave line down one foot. The ridgeline would be reduced by two feet without effecting the ceiling height of the living room.
Mr. Graney commented the whole addition would then pretty much disappear. He reiterated; the eave line would be lowered one foot and the ridgeline would be lowered two feet. Mr. Woodward said yes and the inside ceiling height would be the same. Mr. Graney said he was willing to approve this change.
Mr. Godwin said he will send a new drawing showing the changes.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/01/04, and drawings submitted 10/13/04, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to install shingle siding on garage/carriage house and connector with noted change to asymmetrical fenestration (door & two windows) on connector, and change to 4 over 4 double hung windows on garage/carriage house. Extend living room an additional 6ft, change living room roof from shed to gable with noted change to reduce ridge and eave height by 2ft. Plans for change in height of gable roof to be submitted by 10/29/04. And to DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE relocation of the driveway and alteration of stone wall due to incomplete information. This work is to be completed by October 18, 2005, or else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 3-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 9/20/04 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 3-0.
Other Business
Mrs. Boyer tried to contact Mr. Loether of the State Historical Society regarding ways to inform prospective buyers that a house is in one of the historic districts. He did not return her calls. The Town of Litchfield relies on a lot of communication with their Building Official.
Correspondence
Mr. Graney read a letter from Gordon T. Wallis, 32 Sunny Ridge Road, informing the Commission that he would be replacing a barn on his property which was struck by lightning and burned to the ground. It will be replaced in kind in the same location, same size and using the same building materials. A photo was included. The Commission approved.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Boyer.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 8:45PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
September 20, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Sean WoodwardREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:35PM and seated the regular members. Alternate Boyer was seated for Mr. Smith.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 8/16/04 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney reminded the members that from now on minutes and agendas will be sent via e-mail.
Other Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION for change to back of house
Sean Woodward gave the Commission a letter from Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants giving him authority, as their General Contractor, to represent them at the meeting. Mr. Graney read the letter to the members. He then read the following statement:
"For the record, this preliminary discussion between Washington HDC and Calhoun Street LLC, is strictly advisory and non-binding on the HDC and pending applications or amendments to a Certificate of Appropriateness for this property."
Mr. Woodward brought a drawing(not submitted) that showed a change to the living room which would extend it by six feet at the back of the house. In addition, the roof over the living room will be changed from a shed roof to a gable roof.
The members studied and discussed the drawing and compared it to the drawing which was previously approved. Mr. Talbot asked if the extension is going to create one big room. Yes.
Mr. Woodward said the addition would not be visible from the road directly in front of the house and only a little of the roof will be visible through the trees from another angle. He said he installed some wood strips marking where the addition will be so the Commission can go to the property and check out what can be seen from the road.
Mr. Talbot said he thinks the gable roof will look better than the shed roof. Mrs. Picton agreed.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any problems with massing.
Mrs. Picton said she does not think it will be a major mass to draw attention, but it is a big house. Mrs. Boyer agreed - and the addition makes it a little bigger. At least the addition does not add to the length of the house. Mr. Woodward said not very much of the house is going to be visible from the road.
Mr. Talbot asked about all the lighting shown in the drawing. Mr. Woodward replied the lighting has not yet been approved by HDC. Mr. Treadway was also concerned about the lights. Mr. Woodward said the Building Code requires lighting for outside doors. Mrs. Rives said she thinks the doors look better separated, as they are shown on the new drawing, rather than so close together. Mrs. Picton asked what roofing materials are going to be used. Red cedar.
Mr. Graney asked if the members had any more questions. There were none. In addition to the living room extension, outside lighting and the driveway will be discussed at the October Public Hearing.
Signs in Historic Districts (entering/leaving)
Mr. Graney opened the discussion by pointing out the fact that not all realtors inform their clients about the historic districts. In order to make it perfectly clear about where the districts are, he suggested posting "entering" and "leaving" signs. Mrs. Boyer said the idea is a good one, but that would mean four more signs on the Green.
Mr. Treadway said when the residents of Nettleton Hollow discussed the possibility of making that area an historic district, they did not like the idea of signs. He said it is the fault of the real estate agents if their clients don't know they have bought a house in one of the three historic districts. He said he does not like signs. Mr. Talbot and Mrs. Picton agreed. Mrs. Rives added, there are already too many signs.
Mrs. Boyer suggested the members should write down thoughts on which they agree concerning signs and send them to the Zoning Commission. There are so many temporary signs. The museum has three in addition to a permanent sign.
Mr. Graney commented that he has no objection to the signs because they inform people about what is happening in town and advertise activities in which residents may participate. Mrs. Picton and Mr. Treadway agreed that temporary signs are ok.
Mrs. Boyer said she would like to see permission for permanent signs with a smaller, removable, temporary sign that can be hung underneath. That would eliminate lots of little signs.
Mr. Graney told the members he understands their objections to the sandwich board signs and the owners need to be reminded that they are temporary. Since "entering" and "leaving" signs do not appeal to the Commission, Mr. Graney asked how they could best protect the historic districts and alert prospective buyers to the fact that they may be interested in a house in one of these districts. The members discussed having it put in the deed. Mrs. Boyer said she would call the State Historical Commission to ask if HDC can require that a line be added to the deed stating that a house is in an historic district.
Correspondence
Mr. Graney read a letter from Bruce W. Reinholdt, Museum Curator, stating that the Museum needs to replace its roofs. All work on the roofs will be a replacement with the same types of materials presently in place.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Boyer.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 8:30PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade
August 16, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadePUBLIC HEARING
Beck /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:32PM for Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition onto their existing house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 8/8/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Beck had notified the Land Use Office in the afternoon that he would not be at the Public Hearing. He said there is a setback problem involving his septic and he needs to revise his plans.
After some discussion, the Commission agreed there was nothing to act upon at this time. They decided to close this Public Hearing since a different application and new plans will need to be submitted. A letter and new application will be sent to Mr. Beck.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition onto existing house. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 7:43PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:43PM. Mr. Talbot arrived at this time and was seated along with the regular members. Alternate Chute was seated for Mrs. Picton.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 7/19/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.3, Par.3, Line 7, ...... 2005, or else ......
By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Mr. Talbot said Sandy Natale from Klemm Real Estate contacted him regarding the Landon property on Calhoun Street. Mr. Talbot asked that the Guidelines, Rules and Regs and an application be sent to her so she can become more familiar with HDC.
Mr. Smith wondered if it might be beneficial for HDC to invite realtors in town to an informational meeting. All agreed that was a good idea.
MOTION: To adjourn. By Mr. Treadway.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
July 19, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. BeckPUBLIC HEARINGS
Beck(continued) /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
Mr. Smith reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 7/28/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition onto their existing house. Mr. Smith seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway, Alternate Chute for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Beck was present.
Mr. Beck noticed that only one of the regular members was present and said he would be willing to come back to the Commission in August. He added, there was no rush to do this project. The members looked briefly at the plans previously submitted 6/8/04 for the 6/21/04 Public Hearing. Mr. Smith told Mr. Beck that if he is willing to start over again, he might be better served with all of the members participating.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 28, 2004 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition onto existing house. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Aeschliman(Norwood Limited) /18 Sunny Ridge Road /Enclose existing front porch with screening.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:58PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 7/6/04 by Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose their existing front porch with screening. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 7/11/04. Don Wyant, contractor, represented the Aeschlimans.
The members looked over the photos and drawings (marked rec'd 7/6/04). Mr. Wyant explained all joints and wood frames for the screening will be behind existing posts and railings. Mrs. Boyer noted the only big change seems to be the addition of a screen door. Mr. Wyant said yes. It will be a wood door with screens as shown in the drawing. Mr. Smith asked for specifics about the screening. Mr. Chute asked if he is using plastic screening. Mr. Wyant said it will be charcoal colored plastic. It seems to hold up very well. Mrs. Rives commented there is another screened porch very similar to this one nearby. Mr. Smith wanted to verify that all the open spaces are to be filled with screening and the supports will be hidden behind the poles. Mr. Wyant said that is correct.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any additional questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 6, 2004 by Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose existing front porch with screening. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:15PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:17PM and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway, Alternate Chute for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
Beck(continued) /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 28, 2004 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition onto their existing house. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed
4-0.
Aeschliman(Norwood Limited) /18 Sunny Ridge Road /Enclose existiing front porch with screening.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 6, 2004, By Richard and Frances Aeschliman(Norwood Limited), 18 Sunny Ridge Road, to enclose their existing front porch with screening as presented in drawings and photos submitted July 6, 2004. This work is to be completed by July 19, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 6/21/04 minutes as written. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Correspondence
Two e-mails were received in June. One from Southport, asking about the use of fiberglass on buildings. Mr. Smith will answer. The other from Bristol, asking administrative questions regarding staffing, budget, etc. Mrs. Shade will answer that one.
MOTION: To adjourn. By Mrs. Rives.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
June 21, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeMr. Beck advised the Land Use Office that he might arrive as late as 8PM. After a brief discussion, Mr. Graney asked for a motion to change the order of the Agenda in order to conduct the Regular Meeting prior to the Public Hearing.
MOTION: To change the order of the Agenda and conduct the Regular Meeting prior to the Public Hearing. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 3-0.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 7:40PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 5/17/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.6, Par.4, Line 3; .....Mrs. Picton said this is not a farmhouse, it's a colonial revival.
By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
A. Letter from First Congregational Church, 6 Kirby Road, notifying the Commission that the church will be resided, insulated and painted. There will be no change in appearance.
B. Letter from Ronald K. Chute, 8 Kirby Road. He will be replacing the cedar shingle roof on the front of his house. Roof is being replaced "in kind" - there will be no changes.
Other Business
Mr. Graney informed the members that the sample letters discussed at the last meeting; the cover letter and sample letter of notification, would be sent out to all Historic District residents before the July meeting. He said First Selectman Dick Sears approved the letters.
The members briefly discussed the Land Use Brochure Committee Draft. All agreed that HDC should be listed in the front of the brochure along with the other regular commissions. Mrs. Boyer said she would inform the Committee.
Mr. Beck had not yet arrived. The members agreed to continue the Regular Meeting until after the Public Hearing.
MOTION: To Continue the Regular Meeting until after the Public Hearing. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney continued the meeting at 7:55PM.
PUBLIC HEARING
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:25PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/28/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition onto their existing house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 6/13/04. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot. Mr. and Mrs. Beck were not present.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing until July 19, 2004, to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/28/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition onto their existing house. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney continued the Public Hearing at 8:25PM.
MOTION: To adjourn. By Mr. Smith.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
May 17, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Chute, Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mrs. Beck, Mr. Godwin, Mr. Pleasants, Mr. WoodwardPUBLIC HEARINGS
Beck(continued) /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
Mr. Graney reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:36PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/5/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition to existing house. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot, Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith. Mrs. Beck was present.
The members studied the new drawings submitted 5/14/04 and discussed the changes with Mrs. Beck. She explained the addition is now two-story instead of one and is pushed back by about 15ft. They studied the floor plan along with the previously submitted photos. They concluded approximately 660sqft would be added to the existing house. Mrs. Picton said she appreciated Mrs. Beck's attempts to modify the plans to comply with comments from the members.
The Commission discussed the windows in the addition. Mrs. Picton suggested moving the two upper windows closer together so they would be centered above the windows below. Mrs. Beck said she needs the windows as shown for light in the bedroom and bathroom. If the windows were to be moved, they would not make sense inside. Mr. Chute said he had a problem with the side of the upper windows being so close to the edge of the house. He asked if they would be visible from the road. Mrs. Beck said they would not be very visible from Calhoun Street. Mrs. Boyer asked where the bathroom vent would be located. Mrs. Beck did not know.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any other questions. Mrs. Picton observed that the eave detailing, frieze boards and corner boards were not shown on the plans and asked if they would match those on the existing house. Mrs. Beck replied they would. Mr. Graney asked if they were planning on adding shutters. Yes. Mr. Chute returned to the discussion on the two upper windows. He said it would be better if the size of those windows could be adjusted - but he realizes the problem is, they are reusing these windows instead of buying new ones.
Mr. Graney noted the details for the addition were very similar to the existing house and asked if there were some way to differentiate the addition from the old main house. Mrs. Beck said she thought setting the addition back made it appear different.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they needed any more clarification on details. Mrs. Boyer wanted to know if the foundation on the addition would be concrete or faced with stone. Mrs. Beck will check, but they will probably continue with whatever is existing. Mr. Graney asked if there would be any difference in the floor levels between the existing house and the addition. No. He asked if the addition will have a crawlspace or full basement. Probably a crawlspace. Mrs. Boyer asked what type materials are to be used on the roof. Mrs. Beck said the roof will match the shingles on the existing house. Mr. Graney noted the roof appears to be a flat roof from the road and shingles may not be appropriate for a flat roof. Mrs. Beck said she would check on the exact materials being used. Mr. Graney asked if they are planning any exterior lighting. No.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition on existing house. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:07PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Connector between garage and house.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:10PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 5/3/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to build a connector between the garage and house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 5/9/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot, Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants were present along with their builder, Mr. Woodward.
Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants presented drawings requested by the Commission (rec'd 5/17/04) showing different configurations for the connector: 1)open breezeway with just a roof, 2)heavily glazed with a french door, and 3)siding with two windows and french door. The Commission discussed the drawings. Mr. Chute said the addition of the connector makes the house become a big mass.
If possible, Mr. Godwin said they would like to side the garage and connector with wood shingles and let them weather. The house will be white clapboard. Since a change in siding was not listed in the legal notice, this issue will need to be decided in a future meeting.
Mr. Godwin pointed out the new garage doors with two rows of lights at the top. The members briefly discussed the new doors. Mr. Pleasants said they could eliminate the new garage doors if the Commission preferred. Mrs. Picton thinks they are an improvement. The windows on the garage doors seem appropriate, they work with the entire door unit. Mr. Chute asked if it was necessary to have a door in the connector. Mr. Pleasants said they could change the connector to have just the two windows, or one single door instead of the french door. Mrs. Boyer commented that all connected, it gets so massive. Mr. Godwin said the connector is low and very little will be visible from the road.
Mr. Graney asked the Commission if they were ready to vote. All agreed they were.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Calhoun Street, LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to construct a connector between garage and house. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:47PM and seated the members and Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot, Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
Beck(continued) /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
Mr. Graney noted that a 660sqft addition is being proposed for an existing 4,319sqft house which has been added on to throughout history. He wondered about the purpose of the addition. In his opinion, this addition detracts from the existing historic addition (built sometime in the 19th century). Mrs. Picton said the Commission can't judge on the basis of their program. Mr. Graney said program or not, he thinks it detracts.
Mrs. Picton said she has reservations about the windows on the second floor on the north side. They will be visible coming down Calhoun Street. Mr. Chute said he also has reservations about the windows. Mrs. Boyer said she thinks the change they made is wonderful.
Mr. Graney said there are too many holes in the application; detail of the windows, roof and foundation. Mrs. Rives said her objection is based on more than incompleteness. Mr. Chute said if the members object to volume, Mr. and Mrs. Beck should be told rather than say the application is incomplete. He added, whatever they do should not destroy the historic nature of the house. Mrs. Picton said she always felt the 19th century addition was awkward - she does not agree with Mr. Graney. Mrs. Boyer commented one would just catch a fleeting glance of the addition from the road. Mr. Graney said it would be an important visual - you would see an almost flat roofed addition. Mrs. Picton noted because the addition will be set back, it won't look as high. Mr. Chute said old houses have been added onto with near flat roofs. Mr. Graney said he is worried about the effect on the historic integrity of the house.
Mrs. Picton said if the application is denied, the Commission needs to communicate its concerns to the Becks and what they need to do. Mr. Graney said they could deny without prejudice in terms of the details they need in order to vote. Mrs. Picton said she does not think what will be seen from the road will be jarring or incongruent. Mr. Chute said the addition is not of concern to him - filling in the hole and adding on to the unfortunate addition does not bother him. Mrs. Boyer said she does not have a problem either. The members discussed the windows on the addition. Mrs. Boyer said the Commission should not have to work out the details for them. Other details that need to be clarified are roofing materials, foundation veneer, and eave details.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted April 5, 2004, by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to construct an addition onto their existing house according to plans submitted May 15, 2004. The following details are necessary in order for the Commission to vote on the application: A. Second floor north elevation, 6 over 6 double hung windows (single or double) to match the 19th Century flat roof addition windows, B. Details on eaves, frieze & fascia boards, corner boards and watertable to match 19th Century flat roof addition, C. Roof materials to match existing, and D. Clarify if crawlspace or full basement with any ventilating windows, and foundation facing. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-1.
Mr. Graney voted against. His reasons for doing so are stated in the minutes.
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Connector between garage and house.
Mr. Chute said he proposes the Commission approve the connector with a solid single door instead of french doors and the siding should match the garage.
Mrs. Picton said she would not approve the connector because of size. It would make the whole place read as more of a complex. The roof is high, can be seen from the road and even an open connector with roof would be objectionable.
Mr. Graney, playing devil's advocate, asked if most agricultural properties would have some type of door yard with house connected to barn. Mrs. Picton said this has nothing to do with a farm house. The connector will add to the sense of mass and complexity like what they have done to the carriage house.
Mrs. Rives said the mass of the house has already been added upon. The connector is not going to make it that much bigger. It does not bother her. Since the house predates the Historic District, she does not object to the connector.
Mrs. Boyer said she does not like the solid connector. She likes the open one. It allows you to see through. She said she agrees that the solid connector makes it a long huge mass of house and does not separate the house from the carriage house. Mr. Chute said he thinks the open connector is the most artificial and the most suburban. He does not think it is a good compromise.
Mr. Graney said looking at all the connector drawings, he prefers no connector with just a hood over the doorway to the apartment. Of the connectors, he leans toward the one which gets rid of the french doors; just having one door and one window. He said he understands the members concerns regarding mass. The question is whether or not the connector would detract from important aspects of the district. Mrs. Rives said it has already started. Mrs. Boyer agreed. The house could never have been build if it had not predated the district. Mr. Chute said what Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants have done is a great improvement. Mrs. Boyer agreed. Mr. Graney said he does not know that the district is on a downward slide - the Commission has to look at what is there and whether changes enhance the district. Mrs. Picton and Mrs. Rives agreed the improvements made here have enhanced the district.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted May 3, 2004, by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to construct an enclosed connector between the main house and garage according to plans submitted May 17, 2004 with the following stipulations: asymmetrical fenestration with a panel door and or double hung window (details matching garage windows) and siding to match carriage house/garage. This work is to be completed by May 17, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-1.
Mrs. Picton voted against. Her reasons for doing so are stated in the minutes.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 4/19/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.4, Par.3, Line 5; .....would be elegant.....
And to approve the 5/04/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.4, Par.2, Line 1; .....Mr. Talbot suggested.....
Pg.4, Par.2, Line 3; .....Mr. Graney said if Building.....
Pg.4, Par.5, Line 3; .....each variance is always.....
By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Correspondence
A letter was received from Daniel Martin who is doing some repair work for Debra Eldridge, 4 Parsonage Lane. He is replacing siding and replacing some storm windows. All work will be done "in kind" and does not require an application for C of A.
Mr. Chute said the Congregational Church will be replacing some siding and adding insulation. He will see that a letter is written to HDC regarding the work.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 11:00PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
May 4, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Atty. David MilesSPECIAL MEETING
Mr. Graney opened the Special Meeting at 7:35PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Smith. He welcomed Atty. Miles and thanked him for coming to the discussion regarding enforcement.
Mr. Graney began by stating the Commission needs help with two issues:
1. The process by which to notify someone who is in violation of their C of A.
2. What to do in cases where a fee would not mean anything to the applicant. Could HDC put a notice of violation on the land records like Inland-Wetlands does?
Atty. Miles replied just because an applicant is willing to pay a fine doesn't mean they can then ignore the violation. He also said the Inland-Wetlands statutes specifically authorize them to place notices on the land records. HDC is not authorized. It is risky to put a lien on a property without authorization to do so - there have been lawsuits. He added, the state statutes are pretty strong when it comes to enforcement so the Historic Commission would have as much enforcement authority as any other commission.
Mr. Smith arrived at 7:40PM. Mr. Talbot arrived shortly thereafter.
Mrs. Boyer asked if the Commission would be allowed to post violations on the Town Hall bulletin board, newspaper, etc. Atty. Miles suggested attending a Selectmen's meeting to publicly ask for more money for injunctions in the legal budget - there is always a reporter at the Selectmen's meeting. Mr. Graney commented injunctions are above the HDC budget. Atty. Miles said not to shy away - go to the Selectmen, they will support the commission.
Mrs. Boyer wanted to know what to do in the case of an applicant who is given a C of A and does not build according to the plans noted in the C of A and then comes back to the Commission with a new application. Can the Commission refuse the new application? Atty. Miles said probably not, but you can do it anyway and let them sue. If they are in clear violation, you could get court costs and legal fees back.
Mr. Graney said the Commission is faced with two issues; Mr. Greenfield's fence and Mr. Ross' addition.
Greenfield /12 Ives Road. The members gave Atty. Miles a brief history of the fence. Mr. Greenfield is in violation of Zoning and Historic. He built the fence with no permits and as Mr. Talbot said, a fence that meets building code needs to be around the entire pool, not just along one side. The ZEO wrote him a letter, sent him all the forms and explained he would need Historic approval before Zoning could sign off. Mr. Greenfield did come to a couple of meetings and HDC did a site visit. The Commission made some recommendations and asked them to consider lowering the fence. Mr. Greenfield was to come back to the Commission with some new proposals. All they offered so far was a planting plan to cover the fence. The Commission does not consider plantings. A couple of the members were to go to the site and see how high the fence needed to be for privacy.
Mrs. Boyer asked if HDC should work with Zoning on this matter. Atty. Miles said work in concert with them but do not meet together. Talk with Selectman Dick Sears for support. He also suggested the Commission write a letter to Mr. Greenfield. Mr. Graney asked Atty. Miles if HDC could assess fines if the letter is ignored. Yes, but you have to go to court. If it is a clear violation, HDC may get court costs and legal fees along with an injunction to force them to remove the violation. Mr. Smith reiterated: 1) Go to the Selectmen regarding the budget to get backing against violators, 2)have Atty. Miles write a letter, 3) if nothing happens, go to court.
Mr. Graney commented that may be the next step to try regarding the fence, but he is not sure the same steps can be taken with Mr. Ross.
Mr. Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road. Mr. Smith noted the final approval for C of A was conditional upon Mr. Ross closing the driveway and building a berm. Mr. Talbot expressed his concern that earthwork and plantings do not come under the purview of HDC, but Atty. Byrne said the Commission had to accept the berm. Mr. Treadway said perhaps Mr. Ross has not built the berm because it might affect the wetlands. He also observed Mr. Ross has his house on the market and wondered if he can sell the house when he finishes remediation of the wetlands. Atty. Miles said he can sell the house if there are no violations on the land records.
Mr. Smith said HDC should remind Mr. Ross he still has unfinished business with the Commission. Atty. Miles said basically, Mr. Ross is in violation, but that will be resolved if it cannot be seen from the road. Mr. Talbot stated, even with the berm, the addition with dormers will be visible. Atty. Miles said trees and berm would take Mr. Ross out of violation. Mr. Talbot commented he should build the berm or correct the building. Mr. Smith suggested, a lawyer working with HDC needs to read all the material in the Ross file in order to have a clear grasp of the situation. Right now Mr. Ross is in violation.
Mr. Graney asked how a potential buyer would know about the violation. Mrs. Picton asked if HDC could add something to the Inland-Wetlands violation on the land records. NO. Atty. Miles asked if Mr. Ross had applied to Wetlands to build a berm. Mr. Treadway said Mr. Ross is working with wetlands but is not finished with his remediation.
Mrs. Boyer suggested asking Inland-Wetlands the status. Or, could one of the members go to an IWCC meeting, that way any comments would be in the minutes. Mr. Treadway thought the Commission should write to Dorothy Hill, Chairman of IWCC advising her HDC has open issues with Mr. Ross. Atty. Miles said rather than going to Inland-Wetlands first, write a letter to Mr. Ross telling him the matter is still open, he is in violation and needs to resolve the problem.
Mr. Talbot suggested putting the Building Official on notice that HDC has not signed off on Mr. Ross's addition. If Building cannot issue a permit without HDC approval, how can he issue a C.O. without a C of A.
Mr. Graney reviewed the steps to be taken: 1) Write a letter to Mr. Ross (show to Selectman Sears), 2) If no response to letter, or bad response, go to Selectmen's meeting to ask for support, and 3) Get attorney to write a letter.
The members discussed trees and shrubs as screening. Mr. Talbot said in the past the members have paid no attention to trees and shrubs listed on applications. Mr. Smith said the State Commission agrees - trees don't exist. Mr. Talbot asked, should planting material become something we include in the C of A's and indicate it on the land records? Would the building be in violation if the trees were cut down?
Mrs. Boyer wondered if the Commission had done a bad thing by making an exception with Mr. Ross. Atty. Byrne said probably yes, but each case is always decided on its own merits.
Mr. Graney asked if there were any other questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 9:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
April 19, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Smith
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot and Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer and Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Ms. Khouri, Mr. Bass and Mrs. BeckPUBLIC HEARINGS
Khouri(continued) /75 Green Hill Road /Changes to east faade of house.
Mr. Graney reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/4/04 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to make changes to the east faade of the house. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway. Ms. Khouri and Mr. Bass were present.
Ms. Khouri presented a drawing of the east side of the house(rec'd 4/19/04) and showed the members some photos(which were not left for the record) of the existing house. She explained they are proposing to remove the 5ft addition that was built onto the east side of the house approximately 60 years ago because it is now falling off due to inadequate support. The members looked at a very old photo of the east side of the house as it appeared before the 5ft addition. Mr. Graney asked if the house would look like that again, other than the end-wall chimney. Ms. Khouri said it would be very similar.
Mr. Graney asked if the members had any questions. Mrs. Picton said it looks like it will be an improvement. Mrs. Boyer wondered why the 5 feet were added in the first place. Ms. Khouri said she thought it was because a previous owner rented rooms and the 5 feet added space to two bedrooms and a bathroom on the second floor. Mr. Graney asked if there would be any change to the existing siding. No, the first floor will be clapboard, the second floor shingle and the gable end a pattern shingle. Mr. Graney noted this on the drawing. He also noted which windows are existing and which are to be restored.
Ms. Khouri said they will also be adding a new cover over the rear entry, but it will not be visible from any public way.
Mr. Graney asked if Ms. Khouri would like to include any other information for the record. No. He asked the members if they had any more questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to make changes to east faade of house. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Smith and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:04PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Beck /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:06PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/05/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition on existing house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 4/11/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway. Mrs. Beck was present.
Mrs. Beck began her presentation by showing the members photos of the existing house(rec'd 4/19/04). They studied the photos along with drawings(submitted 4/6/04). Mrs. Beck explained they are adding a one-story addition with balcony off the north end of the house. The addition in back is basically just filling in a two-story space and would not be seen from the road. Mrs. Beck said they are thinking about using the balcony to sit on and convert the window into a french door. Mrs. Rives referred to the east elevation drawing A1 and asked if the chimney will be doubled in size. Yes, Mrs. Beck said they want to put a fireplace in the room. Mr. Graney said he would like to see how the chimney works with a floor plan. Mr. Smith observed the chimney would be visible from the street. Mrs. Boyer asked Mrs. Beck if her architect drew her a floor plan. No. Mr. Smith asked how many square feet the additions will add to the existing house. Mrs. Beck was not sure. Mrs. Boyer asked if there would be a step down into the addition. Mrs. Beck said she did not think so. Mr. Graney said it appears the addition will be lower by 6in - so it will look like an addition.
Mr. Graney asked the Commission if they had enough information to vote. Mrs. Boyer asked Mrs. Beck if she would need a floor plan to give her builder. Mrs. Picton stated a floor plan is necessary in order to draw framing plans. Mrs. Beck commented she is only adding one room. Mr. Graney explained a floor plan helps determine the size and volume of an addition. Mr. Smith noted when size and scale are an issue, a floor plan is needed to assess that. The Commission looked at floor plans for the 1996 addition to try and get some idea as to how this project will look.
Mrs. Picton said she has reservations about how the addition is going to read. Will the addition dominate visually since it is coming forward? Is there any way to push the addition back somewhat? Mr. Smith agreed. A distinction should be made between the existing house and the addition. Mrs. Boyer said it looks like an uncomfortable connection. Mrs. Beck said she would have to check with her architect.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they were ready to vote or should this Hearing be continued. Mrs. Picton stated the Commission should let Mrs. Beck know how they feel so she will know how to proceed. The Commission specified items they would like to see at the next meeting:
Floor plan including square feet (existing and proposed), confirmation of types of windows to be used, confirmation of code for height of balustrade, clarification of addition floor height, are there to be shutters on addition, site plan showing addition, will foundation of addition be full basement or crawlspace and will finish on foundation be stone or granite veneer. Mrs. Boyer asked if anyone had a problem with the huge chimney. Mrs. Beck wanted to know if there would be any question about doubling the chimney or large windows in back. Mrs. Picton said she would rather see windows match the ones on the front side. Also, eliminating shutters on the addition will make it look more like an addition.
Mr. Graney asked Mrs. Beck if she knew when the first addition was built onto the house. She did not. He said the house has grown from the original, and now will grown on the back and side. There is a question as to whether the new additions will detract from the historic integrity of the house. Mr. Smith noted the Commission established in the past that an addition should be identifiable as an addition but consistent with the character of the existing house. It needs demarcation.
Mrs. Rives asked if the addition could be pushed back one foot. No, that would take away from kitchen space. Mrs. Picton said, as a way of differentiating this as an addition, flush siding boards could be used instead of clapboards with a frieze board across the top under the balustrade. It would elegant and simple. Mrs. Beck said she was worried the flatness might make the addition look bulky and boxy. Mr. Graney suggested if the addition were to be recessed a bit, those flush elements would stand out more. An architect could work that out to see how it looks.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any other questions or comments. They agreed the Public Hearing should be continued.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing until May 17, 2004, to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/05/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition on the existing house. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney continued the Public Hearing at 9:03PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 9:05PM. He seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /Changes to east faade of house.
The Commission agreed they have no problem with this application. It looks fine.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/4/04 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to remove the 5ft second floor overhang on the east elevation and rebuild the lower east gable end and corresponding second story in accordance with the list of details and window schedule. This work is to be completed by April 19, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Beck /129 Calhoun Street /Addition to existing house.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing until May 17, 2004 to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/05/04 by Julian and Pamela Beck, 129 Calhoun Street, to build an addition on the existing house. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Mr. Talbot will create a check-list to assist other members in reviewing new applications.
Mrs. Rives said she would update the mailing list of property owners in the historic districts as soon as the Assessor's 911 list is updated. This will help in notifying neighbors of activity in their district.
The Commission would like to meet with Atty. Miles to discuss enforcement problems. Mrs. Shade will ask him to give the members three dates he could be available for discussion, then select which one is best for the majority to hold a special meeting. Mrs. Picton said other Commissions place notices of violations on property deeds. All agreed that was a good idea and should be discussed with Atty. Miles.
Other items under consideration:
- Mr. Graney would like a copy of zoning compliance reports
to go in HDC files.
- Make a list of C of A expiration dates for the year 2004.
- Correct the application form for C of A to read:
.........understands The Guidelines and also Section IV.........
Some of the members said they had been to 175 Calhoun Street and the area for the connector had not been staked out. Mrs. Shade will write them a letter asking them to do so and requesting they come back to the Commission with some choices:
1. No connector at all,
2. open breezeway with just a roof,
3. mostly windows and french door, and
4. siding with windows and french door.
Correspondence
Mr. Graney read a letter from Mr. Adams objecting to the project at 97 Calhoun Street.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 3/15/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.2, Par.4, Line 7; .....alternatives on the connector.
Pg.6, Par.5, Line 4; .....shingle to clapboard.....
By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 10:08PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
March 15, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith and Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer and Mrs. Rives
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Godwin, Mr. Pleasants, Mr. Cagle, Mr. Queral, Mr. & Mrs. Klemm and residentsPUBLIC HEARINGS
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /exterior renovations to house and garage.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/11/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to house and garage. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 3/7/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Smith. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants were present along with their architect, David Cagle and project architect, Mr. Queral.
Mr. Godwin gave his presentation to the Commission. Drawings(marked rec'd 3/11/04) were tacked on the board along with additional drawings(marked rec'd 3/15/04). He brought a booklet to be added into the record(marked rec'd 3/15/04).
Mr. Godwin stated the reasons for putting together the booklet: 1)to demonstrate the amount of work done over the past two months making design changes to comply with opinions expressed by members of the Commission, 2)to show similarities between the proposed changes to 175 Calhoun Street and existing conditions of other houses in the district, and 3)to get a Certificate of Appropriateness at this meeting.
Mr. Godwin noted some of the changes they have made since their first meeting with the Commission on 1/12/04.
They added front porch with a shed roof, reduced size of all windows across front, reduced number of chimneys from 3 to 2, changed the living room roof to a shed roof, removed porch from back of house, removed all dormers on house and garage, added more glass to the connector from house to garage and set connector back 6ft, changed garage siding, windows and moved the entry and stairs inside. Mr. Godwin explained the existing ridgeline would remain exactly where it is, at 31'9". The ridgeline on the addition has been brought down 1ft and the addition itself has been pushed back more than 5ft from the previous drawings. He also noted there are dotted lines on the new drawings to indicate the existing lines of the house.
Next Mr. Godwin went through some photos in the booklet which show houses in the Calhoun-Ives District that have had additions built along the road - also houses in the district that have chimneys with corbelled tops. He ended by saying since the addition and connector have both been pushed back and with more glass in the connector, he does not think they will be so visible from the road. He asked the members if they had any comments or questions.
Mrs. Picton said she thought they had done a commendable job. The house is more in keeping with a colonial revival. Mr. Chute noted they had obviously listened very well to the comments of the members. Mr. Treadway said he thought it was a vast improvement. It looks more "Washington" than before. Mrs. Picton asked if there were different glazing alternatives. Mr. Queral said smaller lights could be used or a covered walkway. Mr. Godwin said not much of the connector will be visible from the road. Mr. Treadway asked if it is necessary to connect the house and garage. Yes. Mr. Treadway said the new drawings are a big improvement. Mrs. Picton asked if the chimneys will be faced with stone. Yes, Mr. Godwin said he thinks stone will be better with the color of the house. The facing will not be thin, it will look like old stone.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to house and garage. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:10PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Shutters on front of 2001 addition.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:11PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/26/04 by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, for shutters hanging on the front of their 2001 addition. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 3/7/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Smith. Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were present.
Mr. Klemm gave each member a copy of a letter(marked rec'd 3/15/04) from Paul R. Hinkel, Hinkel Design Group, in which Mr. Hinkel stated his qualifications as a registered architect, who has worked extensively on historic homes in the area. Mr. Hinkel stated the use of shutters on the Klemm addition was appropriate. He also noted the "shutters should properly conform to the height and width of each window where installed".
Mrs. Picton asked if the shutters would fit the windows if closed. Mr. Klemm said his contractor said they would fit. Mr. Graney said his concern was, when they came to the Commission about the addition, the members discussed the importance of keeping the addition separate; that is, not trying to look like part of the original house. Mrs. Klemm showed pictures of shutters on other additions in the district.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any more questions. Mr. Treadway said he had no problem with the shutters. Mrs. Picton said the addition is contemporary enough that having shutters will not make it look like part of the original house. Mr. Chute said his issue is that shutters were not shown on the plans which were approved. Mrs. Klemm said that was just an oversight.
Mr. Graney asked for any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, for shutters on the front of their 2001 addition. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:18PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Inground pool w/split rail fence and flagstone terrace.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:20PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/26/04 by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to install an inground pool with a split rail fence and a flagstone terrace. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 3/7/04. Mr. Graney seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Smith. Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were present.
Mr. Klemm had prepared drawings and plans for each member. They studied the plans. Mr. Treadway asked if the pool was in back of the white barn. Yes. Mr. Chute asked if the pool would be visible from the road. Mr. Klemm said without the fence, you would not know a pool was there. There will be a narrow flagstone terrace around the pool, but mostly grass - it will be very natural. Mrs. Picton asked if much regrading would be done. Mr. Klemm replied it would be very gradual into the contour of the hill. Mr. Graney asked about the mechanicals. They will be behind the barn and will not be visible from any public way. Mr. Treadway asked if there would be any future plans beyond this. No. Mr. Treadway said he had no problem with the pool.
Mr. Graney asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, for an inground pool w/split rail fence and flagstone terrace. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 8:25PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /Changes to east faade of house.
Mr. Graney opened the Public Hearing at 8:27PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/4/04 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to remove the 5ft overhang at the east elevation and rebuild the lower east gable end and corresponding second story.
Ms. Khouri had called to say she would be unable to attend the meeting and no one was present to represent her. The Commission decided to continue this Public Hearing until the next scheduled meeting on April 19, 2004.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to make changes to east faade of house. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 4-0.
Mr. Graney continued the Public Hearing at 8:30PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Graney called the meeting to order at 8:35PM and seated the members and Alternate Chute for Mr. Smith.
Pending Business
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Exterior renovations to house and garage.
Mr. Treadway said he thought the plan was very acceptable, although he would prefer no connector. He said they had made a great effort and this was a vast improvement over their original proposal.
Mr. Graney commented, the existing house, was built in the 1980's before the area was a historic district and is not representative of a colonial revival. He suggested they go through their consideration step by step.
He asked the members to discuss scale. A total of 941sqft will be added to the existing house. Mrs. Picton said she approves of the way they have added square feet to the house; some on the back, some on the side. The addition is recessed and secondary to the house. They have pushed the connector back and have responded to the Commission's comments about the garage - it is simpler. The plans are more in harmony with existing houses in the district.
Next the Commission discussed the shed roof porch. Mrs. Picton said it breaks up the faade a bit. Mr. Chute said he thought it reduced the mass. Mr. Treadway commented it is similar to the Stuart farm. Mr. Chute said they did a good job listening and interpreting.
Mr. Pleasants said he would not object to barn siding on the garage if the Commission preferred. Mrs. Picton commented barn siding looks less like a cottage and more like a barn. She would prefer shingle or clapboard - it might recede a bit and be less to look at. Mr. Treadway said he prefers the siding on the garage be different from the house.
Mr. Graney asked about details on the chimney. Mr. Godwin said the facing will be cut local granite and will be the same as the facing on the foundation.
Mr. Pleasants said he would like to find some old lighting fixtures for the garage and two smaller ones by the front door. Mr. Graney asked, for the record, if the members should ignore the lighting on the drawings. Yes, they will come back for approval on the lighting.
Details on the porch. The members discussed the dimensions of the columns. They will be 8in diameter. The floor of the porch will be wooden. Mr. Pleasants said they would like to find one or two large slabs of granite for the steps.
Passageway connecting house and garage. Mrs. Picton said she would prefer a breezeway. Mr. Chute said he would rather see nothing, but if there has to be a passageway then french doors make more sense. Mr. Treadway said he also prefers nothing, but they have made an effort by setting it back and he is willing to work with the majority. Mr. Graney said he would also rather keep the garage as a separate entity. Mr. Graney observed the members were split and asked if they would like to vote at a later date on the connector.
Mr. Queral said it would be a shame not to be able to dig all the foundations at the same time. Mr. Graney said he understands their concerns as builders and property owners, but the Commission has concerns too and he does not think waiting one month will hold them up that much. Mr. Treadway agreed it is better to defer. All agreed. It was suggested they put up stakes showing the location of the connector and the Commission can go individually and have a look.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/11/04 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, for exterior renovations to existing house to include the following changes: cut granite stone for chimneys and facing of foundation, and exterior renovations to garage as submitted 3/11/04 to include the following changes: vertical barn siding with no shutters. The lighting and connector details will be deferred. This work is to be completed by September 15, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 4-0.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Shutters on front of 2001 addition.
The members looked at a photo of the house which showed the addition and discussed the shutters. There was some concern that the shutters seem too long and might not close properly over the windows.
Mr. Graney said he was concerned about setting a precedent for getting a C of A after work has been done. However, if the application is approved, he wants to see the shutters cut down to fit the windows. Mr. Treadway agreed. He thought the Commission could compromise and allow them to keep the shutters if they cut them to fit the windows. Mr. Graney said he could live with that.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/26/04 by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, for shutters hanging on front of 2001 addition. The details of such shutters will fit the opening of the sash. This work is to be completed by March 15, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 3-1.
Mr. Chute voted against because the shutters were not included on the plans approved for the addition.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Inground pool w/split rail fence.
The members briefly discussed the pool, its location, and the split rail fence with wire mesh. They looked at the aerial photo of the Calhoun-Ives District along with the drawing and site plan submitted by Mr. & Mrs. Klemm. They agreed that the pool was situated in a way that it would not be visible from a public way. Mr. Graney asked if there were any additional questions. No.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 2/26/04 by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to install an inground pool with a split rail fence and a flagstone terrace. The only change is noted on the plan in green ink, to move pool mechanical equipment to the west of the barn between the barn and the silo. This work is to be completed by March 15, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /Changes to east faade of house.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing until April 19, 2004 for the Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 3/4/04 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to remove the 5ft overhang at the east elevation and rebuild lower east gable end and corresponding 2nd story. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 2/9/04, 2/17/04 and 2/26/04 minutes as written. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 4-0.
Other Business
Report by Mr. Chute: Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road.
Mr. Chute spoke with Mrs. Hill, Inland-Wetlands Chairman, who told him that Mr. Ross cooperated with the Commission and removed all offending material from the wetlands except for a portion nearest the road. Mr. Ross has been in Florida since last November and the work has not been finished. Mrs. Hill said their attorney will be preparing a letter for Mr. Ross asking him to conform to the work he promised to do. Mr. Chute said he will call Mrs. Hill in a couple of weeks for an update.
Mr. Graney noted that in the meantime Mr. Ross is in violation of his C of A. He was to build a berm to hide the addition. The members discussed the possibility of an attachment to the land records stating that Mr. Ross is not in compliance with HDC.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Chute.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 10:05PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
February 26, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot and Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mr. Chute and Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadePUBLIC HEARING
Calhoun Street LLC(continued) /175 Calhoun Street /Exterior renovations to existing house and garage.
Mr. Graney reconvened the Public Hearing at 5:05PM regarding the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/24/03 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to the existing house and garage. Mr. Graney seated the members and read the memo concerning the Public Hearing and Special Meeting.
The members briefly discussed this application and their reaction to the mass and formality of the plans which were presented at the 2/17/04 Special Meeting. Mr. Godwin and Mr. Pleasants will be sending a new set of drawings for the next scheduled meeting on March 15, 2004. Mr. Talbot said he will be away for the March meeting, but will review the plans if they are submitted before he leaves town. If not, the other members will review them individually.
The sixty-five day period of time in which the Commission must act on an application will be ended on 2/27/04. The members did not have adequate information on which to vote, so they decided to deny the application without prejudice.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to existing house and garage. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
Mr. Graney closed the Public Hearing at 5:12PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
SPECIAL MEETING
Calhoun Street,LLC(continued) /175 Calhoun Street /Exterior renovations to existing house and garage.
The purpose of this Special Meeting was to allow the Commission to act within the sixty-five(65) days as specified in the State Statutes.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/24/03 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, for exterior renovations to existing house and garage. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Mr. Talbot noted that when an application is denied by the Commission, the reason must be stated in the Motion.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 12/24/03 by Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, for exterior renovations to existing house and garage because of the lack of sufficient information. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Graney adjourned the meeting at 5:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
February 17, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mr. Treadway, Mr. Talbot and Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Godwin, Mr. & Mrs. MarkertPUBLIC HEARING
Calhoun Street LLC (continued) /175 Calhoun Street/ Exterior renovations to existing house and garage.
Mr. Smith reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to the existing house and garage. Mr. Smith seated the members. Mr. Godwin was present representing Calhoun Street LLC.
Mr. Godwin went through the changes on the new drawings (rec'd 2/17/04). He and Mr. Pleasants would like to move one chimney to the inside of the house. They have added a more simple roof over the front door and separated the windows on the front faade. Also, they broke the line of the roof on the back of the house to create a shed roof.
Mr. Talbot asked if they would be taking off the entire roof. No, just taking off enough in the front to raise the roof line because the bedroom ceiling is low. Mr. Talbot said he would like to know the existing profile of the house and asked Mr. Godwin if he could include that on his drawing.
Mr. Godwin said the existing height of the house is 29ft and will be 31ft with this new plan. The ridge line is going up 2ft.
Mr. Treadway said he has a serious problem with the addition. The connector incorporates the garage/guest house into one very large mass. Mr. Godwin said they have tried to use a lot of glass to avoid that very issue of mass. Also, there is a large outcropping of rock which partially blocks the view of the house. Mr. Markert observed that an additional 2ft in height adds to the mass of the house. Mr. Talbot measured the drawing - existing height is 29ft and the new will be 30 1/2 ft. He said he wants to be sure the members are looking at what they are being asked to approve. Mr. Talbot said he would like to see a profile of the existing house on this drawing.
Mrs. Picton said she has a problem with the overall scheme; the symmetry of the house, the entryway. The house belongs in Scarsdale rather than Calhoun Street. The applicants want to create an elegant home that is not in character with the district. Mr. Smith asked if this proposal is worse than what is there now. Mr. Graney said that is a good point. The existing house is not out of place, but the details on this proposal make it a grander house. Mrs. Picton noted the design is better now, it is more the size that disturbs her. Mr. Talbot said though the existing house is no gem, he understands Mrs. Picton wanting to keep the scale of the existing house. With all the grand changes, Washington is becoming a wealthy suburb. Mr. Treadway commented that when Mr. Appleyard proposed changes they were along the same scale. Mr. Markert read from the Guidelines: "Since this is a district designated for its history as an agricultural landscape it is appropriate to maintain these relationships between the built, natural and cultivated environments".
Mr. Godwin said after the last meeting he was only aware that the connector was a massing problem and that the roof needed to be redone.
Mr. Talbot asked Mr. Godwin if he had explored the possibility of not raising the roof in front of the house. Mr. Godwin replied the ceiling in the bedroom would be low if the roof is not raised. Mr. Graney also questioned the necessity of raising the front elevation and the ridgeline. In addition, the connector to the garage and the pediment over the front door add more volume.
Mr. Smith asked the Commission if mass and formality was an issue. Yes. Mr. Godwin asked the members what they thought of the porch. All agreed it was part of the formality. Mrs. Markert commented the entry looks very grand. Mr. Markert said it is inconsistent with the Guidelines. Mr. Talbot agreed.
Mr. Treadway stated the totality of the proposed house is much larger than existing. He looked at the drawing and noted all the rooms on the first floor plan. Mr. Godwin said he is going to live there.
Mr. Smith said the addition on the right and the height is the most visible. Mr. Godwin said at one point they had considered an addition on the left. Mrs. Picton asked Mr. Godwin if they might consider adding onto the back. Mr. Godwin said there is a swimming pool at the back of the house.
Mr. Godwin said the could do a less formal front porch and perhaps bring the eave line and ridge line back down and lower the windows on the second floor.
Mrs. Picton said perhaps the top of the chimneys could be simpler. Mr. Smith noted the chimney heights are dictated by the fire code - the design is not. Mr. Chute suggested a salt box type roof in the back.
Mr. Godwin said he has a clearer idea now of what the Commission wants. Mr. Smith said the new drawings should specify how much bigger the house will be; perhaps a dotted line showing the existing house. Mr. Chute told Mr. Godwin he likes his design but the house is too formal for the district.
Mr. Godwin asked if the Commission had a preference on the garage siding. Mr. Smith said the texture of the garage siding should be clearly different from the house. Mr. Smith asked if it would make a difference if the windows across the front were not all the same. Mrs. Picton said that might not work from a design point of view. Mr. Talbot said all the second floor windows would be lower. Mr. Graney said he understands the placement of the chimney in context with the floor plan but he does not like how it reads from the exterior. Mr. Smith suggested the tops of the chimneys should be plainer.
The Commission decided they would like to continue this Public Hearing until the next regular meeting on 3/15/04.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness until March 15, 2004, for Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to existing house and garage. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith continued the Public Hearing at 8:45PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
SPECIAL MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:47PM and seated the members.
Calhoun Street LLC /175 Calhoun Street /Exterior renovations to existing house and garage.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness until March 15, 2004, for Calhoun Street LLC, 175 Calhoun Street, to make exterior renovations to existing house and garage. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Revisions to previously approved plans.
The members discussed this application. Mr. Smith spoke with Atty. David Miles regarding the addition for Mr. and Mrs. Klemm which was approved by the Commission. The approval was based on plans which showed no shutters. Shutters have since appeared on the addition. Atty. Miles advised Mr. Smith that the Commission cannot enforce the shutter issue by not acting on this application.
Atty. Robert Fisher spoke on behalf of Mr. and Mrs. Klemm who were out of town. He assured the Commission that Mr. Klemm would apply for a Certificate of Appropriateness to add shutters on the addition. The application will be done in time to be heard at the 3/15/04 meeting. In the meantime Atty. Fisher asked the Commission if they would act on the pending application.
Mr. Graney said he sees this issue as a matter of good faith. The Commission granted them a Certificate of Appropriateness in good faith for an addition with no shutters. They added the shutters and then come back to the Commission for a second addition. What recourse does the Commission have? Mr. Smith said according to Atty. Miles, the Commission does have a recourse; but not by denying this addition. Mr. Fisher assured the members Mr. Klemm would submit his application for the shutters.
Mr. Talbot said he had no problem with the application for the addition. Mr. Treadway agreed, they are reducing the size of the addition in this application.
Mr. Talbot had to leave the meeting at 9PM.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they were ready to vote or would they rather wait until the March meeting. After some additional discussion, they all agreed they were ready to vote.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted January 12, 2004 by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to revise previously approved plans for an addition to the existing house according to new blueprints received and discussed January 12, 2004 and again on February 9, 2004. This work is to be completed by February 17, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 3-1.
Mr. Graney voted no.
His reason for doing so is stated in the minutes.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:30PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
February 9, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Surnow, Mr. Kyte and Mr. YellenPUBLIC HEARINGS
Khouri(continued) /75 Green Hill Road /Replace three windows above northwest porch.
Mr. Smith reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to replace three windows above the northwest porch. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Ms. Khouri was not present, however, she submitted a letter and drawing #W2 dated and received 2/9/04. In the letter Ms. Khouri stated there will be no change to the existing original windows above the northwest porch. Instead, the original three windows will be removed, restored and reinstalled to their original location. The drawing depicts the original window.
The Commission agreed it was excellent that the original windows were to be restored.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to replace three windows above the northwest porch. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 7:43PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors, lighting.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:46PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted December 8, 2003 by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to build a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors and lighting. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 2/1/04. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Kyte, Mr. Surnow and their contractor, Mr. Yellen, were all present.
Mr. Smith read a letter submitted by Mr. Yellen written to the Commission, dated 2/9/04, stating Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow wish to withdraw the pool houses from their application due to concerns of the Commission.
Mr. Yellen submitted new plans (rec'd 2-9-04) showing the sheds had been eliminated. Mr. Treadway said he had been the most outspoken about the sheds because when seen from the road they create a grander impression than what should be in the district.
Mr. Yellen spoke to concerns about relocating the pool. He stated they did not dig behind the house, but the house itself is built on ledge. In addition, there is a beautiful stand of trees that they do not wish to cut down in order to move the pool. They would like to leave the pool where it is on the plans. Mr. Yellen also pointed out on the plans where the septic and reserve area are located. The existing septic has to be replaced and brought up to code due to the accessory apartment. No septic fill is being brought in.
Mrs. Rives asked about the location of the pool equipment. Mr. Yellen said it would be behind the fence. Mr. Treadway asked what type of pool fence, the height, and how much of it can be seen from the road. Mr. Yellen stated it is a brattle fence as shown in the photo submitted previously and will be approximately 5ft high. He said he does not think it will be visible at all except for a brief glimpse as one drives up Calhoun Street.
The Commission continued to study the elevations and grade of the pool area. Mr. Yellen said the grade may increase by 2ft in some areas - a very gradual slope.
Mr. Yellen said there would be two stone walls. Mortar will not be visible and there will be no bluestone cap on top of the walls. The stone walls will grow out of grade and finish at the parking area. The stone walls will not be longer than shown on the drawing, but may end up being shorter. Mr. Smith noted if the stone walls are shorter on either end a new, accurate drawing must be submitted for the record.
The members discussed the stone wall closest to the house that has the railing on top. Mrs. Picton said she preferred not to see railing anywhere if possible. Mr. Kyte said he was concerned about the safety of his guests. He said on his last project, the building official required them to have a barrier rail for anything over 30 inches. Mr. Treadway said if required by code, they need a railing.
Mr. Graney said while Mr. Treadway raised objections to the sheds calling attention to the pool area, his concern is for the land. He suggested to Mr. Yellen that they should diminish the effect of terracing as much as possible. Mr. Graney added, looking up from Calhoun Street is an important vista - the slope up, the pool, then the railing at the house. Mr. Yellen said he hears the concerns of Mr. Graney but in his view, not that much will be visible. Mrs. Rives said she always felt that the pool in front of the house was never appropriate. Mr. Kyte said their aim is to minimize the effect as much as possible.
Mr. Treadway remarked that the bedroom wing is very imposing as viewed driving up Calhoun Street; more so than he thought it would be.
Mr. Smith asked if there were any more questions - with the understanding that the fence around the pool will be no higher than required and that Mr. Yellen will look at requirements for the railing.
Mr. Graney said the Commission will need parameters on the stone walls. Mr. Yellen said they cannot be any longer than drawn and he will try to minimize them. Mr. Surnow said the shorter the better.
Mr. Graney asked where the pool equipment will go since there will be no sheds. Mr. Yellen said in the area behind the fence and they will not be visible.
Mr. Smith asked if there were further questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to build a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors and lighting. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:25PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Revisions to previously approved plans
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 8:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to revise previously approved plans. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 2/1/04. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
The Commission studied and discussed the revised plans submitted 1/12/04 by Mr. and Mrs. Klemm.
The members discussed their concern over the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Klemm had added shutters on their first addition (approved in 2001) when the plans approved by HDC did not have shutters. It was decided to defer voting on this application until the next scheduled meeting on 3/15/04 and in the meantime Mr. Smith will consult with Atty. Miles regarding enforcing violations in the historic districts.
Mr. Smith asked if there were additional questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Peter and Christina Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to make revisions to previously approved plans. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Picton and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:57PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
A. Khouri(continued) /75 Green Hill Road /Replace three windows above northwest porch.
It was agreed a letter should be sent to Ms. Khouri saying that she is basically replacing the windows "in kind" and need not apply for a C of A.
MOTION: To state that since Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, has decided to restore and reinstall the original three windows above the northwest porch, a Certificate of Appropriateness will not be required. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
B. Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors, lighting.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they were ready to vote on this application. All agreed they were.
Mr. Graney asked if plantings could be used instead of a railing - with the addition of a railing the fence becomes almost 7ft tall. Mr. Smith said he could understand why they would want a railing for safety.
Mr. Graney asked why they need a pool. Regarding a swimming pool in the front yard; Mrs. Rives read from the guidelines about recontouring of land.
Mr. Smith said they could stipulate in the motion to find out if a railing is required by the building code.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted December 8, 2003 by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to install a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, as modified 2/9/04 so as to eliminate 2 pool sheds, reduce pool fence to no higher than required by code, provide details about length of two terrace walls if shorter than shown, to defer approval of garage doors and lighting until plans are ready, and withhold approval of the railing around the upper terrace until code requirements are ascertained. This work is to be completed by February 9, 2005; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 3-2.
Mr. Graney and Mrs. Rives voted against. Their reasons for doing so are stated in the minutes.
C. Klemm /11 Ives Road /Revisions to previously approved plans.
MOTION: To defer voting on the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 1/12/04 by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to make revisions to previously approved plans, until the next meeting on March 15, 2004. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 12/15/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, Seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To approve the 1/12/04 minutes as corrected:
Pg.2, Par.4, Line 10; .....inside a privet hedge.....
Pg.3, Par.2, Line 7; .......we do not need.....
Pg.4, Par.3, Line 7; ......driveway and in the process.....
By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Mr. Smith asked for a discussion regarding Mr. Ross, 10 Sunny Ridge Road be added to the 3/15/04 agenda. Mr. Chute will review the HDC files and contact the Inland-Wetlands chairman.
Discussion of the Atty. Miles letter is deferred to the 3/15/04 meeting.
Election of HDC officers. After some discussion, Mr. Graney agreed to serve as chairman with the understanding that he may have to resign if and when he relocates. Mr. Treadway and Mr. Talbot graciously agreed to serve again as vice chair and clerk.
MOTION: To elect Historic District Commission officers effective February 18, 2004: Mr. Graney - Chairman, Mr. Treadway - Vice Chairman and Mr. Talbot - Clerk. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Picton.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 10:05PM
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
Meetings in 2003