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December 15, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney and Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton and Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Ms. Khouri and Mr. BassPUBLIC HEARINGS
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /Replace three windows above west porch.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:45PM to consider the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to replace three windows above the west porch. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 12/7/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway. Ms. Khouri and Mr. Bass were present.
Ms. Khouri presented a drawing (marked rec'd 12/15/03) of the proposed window which will replace the existing windows over the west porch. It is a Marvin window made of wood, with two lights; one over one. Ms. Khouri explained even though this is different from the ones on the rest of the house, it is very common for houses of this period to have various types of windows; and hers does. One reason they are proposing to use this window is because it is less expensive. Mr. Talbot said the Commission would need some kind of overview describing all the windows on the house. Ms. Khouri said these three windows over the porch are the only ones on the front facade that are being replaced. All the other windows on the front will be restored.
Mr. Graney asked Ms. Khouri why she did not want to go with a window that would be like the others on the front of the house. Money - she said each light runs about $20.00. Mr. Graney asked why these three windows could not be restored. Ms. Khouri said the windows are beyond restoring because of the unheated room. Mr. Smith noted that basically, the three 1 over 1 windows are going to be on the porch addition and the rest of the windows on the front will remain the same. Yes.
Mr. Talbot asked if the shutters are going to be put back on. No. Mr. Graney asked Ms. Khouri if she has a firm estimate confirming that replacing the three windows will be less than replicating them. Yes. He asked about the existing condition of the windows. Ms. Khouri replied all the frames and sashes must be rebuilt due to rot and all the glaze needs to be replaced.
Mrs. Boyer said she has a problem with the 1 over 1 windows. They make that part of the house look like a modern addition. Ms. Khouri said that was the latest addition on the house. Mr. Talbot noted the porch with the three windows above is the first part of the house you see when driving toward the Green on Route 47. Mr. Smith noted the Guidelines state, "avoid using large single pane windows on visible elevations".
The members continued to discuss the windows. Mr. Chute asked if there were any colored glass windows on the house. None on the front. Mr. Talbot asked if all the restored windows on the front of the house will have storm panels on the outside. Yes. Mr. Chute suggested storms be placed on the interior. They are not expensive and have ultra-violet filtering.
The Commission discussed types and styles of windows. Mrs. Boyer asked if there might be a way to put a transom over the windows to add some texture. Ms. Khouri said she did not think that would work. She asked if there was a consensus that the Commission could not live with 1 over 1 windows. Mr. Talbot said there is something stark about them - 9 lights would be more similar to the existing windows. Ms. Khouri stated she wants to keep this addition plain and the 1 over 1 windows are "period appropriate".
Mr. Smith observed the members seemed uncomfortable with the 1 over 1 windows. Mr. Graney, Mrs. Boyer, Mr. Talbot and Mr. Chute agreed that they were. Mr. Smith ran down the choices:
They could take a vote now if ready, (if denied, must show it is inappropriate) or, continue to the next meeting and Ms. Khouri can come up with a design that is workable for her and acceptable to HDC. The members thought continuing the meeting was a good idea.
Ms. Khouri said she wants to do what is best for the house. Mr. Graney commented there are other companies besides Marvin that replicate historic windows and have good reputations. Ms. Khouri said she has done a lot of research and will stay with Marvin or Eagle rather than have custom made windows.
Mr. Talbot said he thinks the windows need texture in the upper sash. He also commented that Ms. Khouri is doing a remarkable job on the house and the members want to work with her but they need to understand what her plan is for all the windows in the house - she needs to present a drawing detailing that plan. Mr. Graney agreed - an overall window program should be developed.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness until January 12, 2004, for Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to replace three windows above the west porch. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith continued the Public Hearing at approximately 9:10PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors, lighting.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 9:12PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to build a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors and lighting. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 12/7/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway.
There was no one present to discuss this application so it was decided to continue this application until the next meeting on 1/12/04.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness until January 12, 2004, for Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street to build a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors and lighting. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith continued the Public Hearing at 9:15PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 9:20PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton and Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
A. Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /Replace three windows above west porch.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the Application for Certificate of Appropriateness until January 12, 2004, for Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to replace three windows above the west porch. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
B. Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors, lighting.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness until January 12, 2004, for Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street to build a pool w/fence, pool houses and related terracing, garage doors and lighting. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To accept the 11/17/03 minutes as written.
To accept the 11/25/03 minutes as amended:
Pg. 4, Par. 3, Line 11, ........the view from the road.
By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Mrs. Picton will be asked to look over the revised window and door drawings submitted by Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road.
Mr. Smith reminded the members that election of officers will be held in January and expressed his desire to step down as chairman. Also be prepared to discuss the letter from Atty. Miles.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Graney.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 10:10PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
November 17, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Treadway, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Smith and Mr. Graney
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. YellenREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Treadway called the meeting to order at 7:32PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Smith and Alternate Boyer for Mr. Graney.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 10/20/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
OTHER BUSINESS
A. Kyte - Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /DISCUSSION - renovations, addition and pool area.
A legal notice was not published, so a Public Hearing could not be held on this date. Mr. Treadway asked the members and Mr. Yellen if they would be available for a Special Meeting on November 25th. All agreed that would be doable.
MOTION: To approve conducting a Public Hearing and Special Meeting on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 7:30PM in the Selectmen's Office for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to consider their application for Certificate of Appropriateness. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
Mr. Yellen said he had previously met with Mr. Talbot to review the drawings submitted 10/20/03 in order to determine if any additional information would be needed by the Commission. Mr. Yellen revised these drawings and they are marked "received 11/17/03". He told the members the entire house will be renovated inside and out:
Re-roof with wood shingles, Change all windows and doors, Remove skylights, New shingle siding with bleaching stain and white trim - no cornerboards, New addition, French doors and windows across front. The members looked at the site plan (marked revised 11/17/03) and discussed the view from Calhoun Street. Mr. Yellen said he is aware that the Commission's biggest concern has been the pool. He said he has reduced the grade and does not think the pool will be visible from the road. Only the tops of the pool houses will be seen.
Mr. Treadway asked how much of the pool will be seen from the road, since the road is lower than the grade of the pool. None. How about the pool houses. Yes, the top portion. How about the stone walls. Yes, they are about 2 to 3ft high and can be seen. Mr. Treadway commented that if the two pool houses were not visible, you would not know a pool was there.
Mr. Yellen asked the Commission if they would be able to go to the site and have a look. He said he could have stakes in place by Wednesday afternoon. The members each agreed to go on an individual basis sometime before the November 25th meeting.
Mr. Treadway said if the only thing visible from the road is the two pool buildings - why are they necessary. Mr. Yellen said they will be for pool equipment and furniture. How big are they? 11ft tall. Mrs. Picton asked why so tall. No particular reason. There will be french doors facing the pool area. Mrs. Boyer commented she does not like looking at the back of the buildings from the road. It emphasizes the most unattractive piece of this whole project. Mr. Yellen stated he is willing to listen to whatever the Commission thinks should be done. He added, it may be possible to eliminate one of the buildings. Mr. Treadway told Mr. Yellen that what he has done to the house is an improvement over the first set of plans.
Mr. Treadway asked the members to comment on the two pool buildings. Mrs. Picton replied she is worried more about the new wing off to the west. Mr. Talbot said he would like to go back and see the grading now that the leaves are off the trees. He expressed his concern about the country district. Mrs. Boyer noted her concern about all the french doors and windows - it's a sea of glass. Mrs. Picton agreed. You would see less from the road if there were fewer windows and french doors. Mrs. Boyer asked if it is necessary to have three french doors at the bedroom.
Mr. Talbot asked about lighting. Mr. Yellen replied there will be lights at the doors, but no flood lights. All compressors, generators and mechanicals are behind the house. Mr. Talbot said the Commission will need a picture of the lights after the decision is made. Also, he reminded Mr. Yellen that the Commission will need to know the final decision on the garage doors, and a picture or drawing. Mrs. Rives asked about the surface of the driveway. It will be stone.
Mr. Treadway asked if there were any further questions or comments. There were none.
B. Ross /10 Sunny Ridge Road /Discussion
It was decided to defer this discussion to a future meeting.
C. 2004 Calendar
After a brief discussion the Commission agreed on the calendar for 2004.
MOTION: To accept the Historic District Commission calendar for the year 2004. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Treadway adjourned the meeting at approximately 8:30PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
October 20, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Treadway, Mr. Talbot and Mrs. Rives (for Mr. Graney).
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Graney
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Ms. Khouri, Mr. Bass, Mr. BrighentiPUBLIC HEARING
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /New windows on third floor and east elevation.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/9/03 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to install new windows on the third floor and on the east elevation. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 10/12/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney. Ms. Khouri and Mr. Bass were both present.
Ms. Khouri said she would talk first about the existing third floor windows which are in very bad condition. They are proposing to replace them with Eagle metal clad windows which will be easier to maintain. Ms. Khouri showed the members a drawing of the proposed window (marked rec'd. 10/20/03, drawing A). The proposed window is a multi-light(9) upper sash with one light below. Each of the proposed windows has its own storm. There will be no additional storms or screens. The metal on the windows will match the sandstone trim. The window casings and sills are to be rebuilt in wood and will duplicate the originals.
The members continued to discuss the windows; existing and proposed. Ms. Khouri said every window in the house needs to be restored eventually, but now they are just going to restore the gable end windows. She noted there are various sizes and types of windows throughout the house. Mr. Smith asked if there was anything about the house itself that would dictate the number of lights per window. No. There is no standardization - the number of lights varies from window to window.
Mr. Talbot asked Ms. Khouri if she had prepared a drawing for the Commission. No she had not. He explained that it is important to show the proposed windows inserted in the elevation so there will be an accurate record in the file.
Mr. Smith asked if the members had any more questions regarding the third level windows before they go on to discuss the east elevation. There were none.
East elevation. Ms. Khouri began by saying that everything they do to correct a problem turns into a greater problem. There have been significant problems with water and rot because the house has not been properly maintained over the years and when repairs were made they were not done logically or well. All existing crown moldings, rake boards and fascia boards which have rotted are being removed and replaced with ones made of Philippine mahogany.
Ms. Khouri noted they have encountered significant structural issues and they expect there will more. Therefore, rather than rebuild the second story overhang which they got a variance for, they have decided to completely remove the 5'x30' addition and go back to the original east facade. The Commission thought that would be an improvement. Mr. Smith noted that what Ms. Khouri has proposed looks good, but she will need to submit drawings of both the front and east side to the Commission.
Mr. Smith said at this time he would like to deal specifically with the issue of the windows and in more general terms with the east side. Ms. Khouri can come back to the Commission when those details are finalized.
Where the west side porch was stabilized, Ms. Khouri said she would like to introduce a new window type; a more simplified design. She asked the Commission if it would allow some flexibility in choosing new windows. Mr. Treadway suggested she make a final decision on window choice and then come back to the Commission.
Mr. Chute commented that what distinguishes this building historically, is the fact that over the years people have done many different things. Ms. Khouri said she is trying to bring it all together. Mr. Smith agrees with Mr. Chute, he stated it is not essential that this house be a historical reproduction.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to install new windows on the third floor and on the east elevation. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the meeting at 8:15PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
Brighenti /17 Kirby Road /Replace entrance door, garage door, add a window, 2 outside lights and lap pool w/fence.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 8:17PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10/7/03 by Stephen Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to replace the entrance door, garage door, add a window, 2 outside lights and a lap pool with fence. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 10/12/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney. Mr. Brighenti was present.
Mr. Brighenti brought some photos(rec'd. 10/20/03) for the members to see the view from the various points along the road. The members also looked over the drawings which showed where the entrance door with shed roof would replace the garage door, the placement of the new windows and the lattice trellis which will hide equipment. There was also a picture of the type of lap pool and style of fence. Mr. Brighenti showed the members a picture of another carriage house with similar door and windows.
Mr. Treadway asked if this building used to be a carriage house. Yes, for The Gunnery, not The Rocks. The members discussed the changes with Mr. Brighenti. Some wondered if some of these changes might turn this simple carriage house into something else. Mrs. Picton suggested rather than choosing a different window, use a casement window like the other one on the house - it would be more symmetrical. For the entrance door, Mr. Talbot suggested a roof more like the original, with two brackets and a hanging light tucked under the roof instead of the two lights on either side of the door. Mr. Brighenti agreed to these changes and sketched them on the drawing for the file. There will also be a 4'x 8' entrance pad at the front door which he added to the drawing.
The Commission discussed the 4'x8' lattice trellis which will be installed to cover the air conditioning equipment under the porch. The lattice will be painted dark green and roses planted to cover. The members agreed that once the trellis is up, nothing will be visible from the street.
One of the photos shows stakes where the lap pool is going to be built. Mr. Brighenti said due to setback requirements he is restricted as to where he can put the pool because it must be 25ft from the side yard boundary and 50ft from the front. He said the pool would be painted dark blue with blue stone around the border. The picket fence around the pool will be painted a dark green.
Mr. Smith thought the pool would be visible from the road. Mrs. Picton said there are trees but they may come down some day. The Commission discussed the fencing. Mr. Talbot suggested combining solid and open fencing. Mr. Treadway said he did not like solid fences. Mrs. Picton said she can understand the need for privacy but she does not like a solid wall either. Mr. Smith agreed they should avoid solid fencing on Kirby Road. Mr. Treadway said a fence should be as innocuous as possible. The members agreed the fence should be open on three sides and closed on one side (along The Rocks wall). Mr. Brighenti said he was agreeable to that.
Mr. Treadway asked Mr. Brighenti if he would be occupying the house. No. Mr. Brighenti will use it as a guest house for friends or rent it.
Mr. Talbot asked if any lighting is planned for the pool. Mr. Brighenti said he prefers no lighting. Mr. Smith said if he decides he needs lighting he must come back before the Commission.
Mr. Smith asked if there were any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Stephen Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to replace entrance door and garage door, add a window, 2 outside lights and lap pool w/fence. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 9:05PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Plaza, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 9:07PM, seated the members and Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney.
Pending Business
Kyte-Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
Mr. Talbot and Mr. Treadway met with Mr. Yellen on 9/21/03 and reviewed drawings (marked 7/21/03). Mr. Yellen was given a list of additional information required and was asked to submit them for this meeting. Mr. Yellen brought new drawings to the Land Use Office this morning(10/20/03).
Since no one was present and the application was not complete, the Public Hearing was not held. The Commission accepted the new drawings (rec'd. 10/20/03) and will review them for completeness for the next Public Hearing on November 17th. A letter will be sent to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow (see file).
Mr. Graney was not present, but had expressed his desire to preserve the agricultural nature of the Calhoun-Ives District. The members agreed that the location and size of the pool and pool structures were a concern of the Commission.
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road /New windows on third floor and east elevation.
MOTION: To approve the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10-9-03 by Ann M. Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, to install new windows on the third floor as described in "Drawing A" and attached documentation received 10-20-03 and in the minutes of the Public Hearing and to defer approval of changes to the east side until details are presented. This work is to be completed by October 20, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Brighenti /17 Kirby Road /Replace entrance door, garage door, add a window, 2 outside lights and lap pool w/fence.
Mrs. Rives asked if it was possible to vote against just the pool. No. Mr. Smith explained each member must vote for or against the entire motion. However, it would be possible to deny the pool without prejudice. Mrs. Picton said she had no problem with the pool. Mr. Treadway commented the lot is very small. Mr. Talbot said they could have a site visit - it is hard to visualize. It was decided to deny the pool without prejudice and each member will go individually to see the area.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 10-7-03 by Stephen Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to replace the garage door with an entrance door and a wood shingle roof similar to the original shed roof, replace the entrance door with a window and remove the gable entry roof and add a fourth window to the front - all according to the presentation made October 20, 2003, including documentation. Also, to add trellis work under the porch to conceal equipment. And to DENY without prejudice the installation of the lap pool with fence and equipment until the Commission can obtain further information about its appearance and impact upon the District. This work is to be completed by October 20, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 9/15/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Smith.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
September 15, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, and Mrs. Picton.
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Treadway and Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives, Mrs. Boyer and Mr. Chute.
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Yellen and Mr. KrentzmanPUBLIC HEARING
Kyte - Surnow(continued) /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations & addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
Mr. Smith reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 7/8/03 by Mr. Dennis Kyte and Mr. Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to make renovations and build an addition to the existing house, add a pool with fence, a pool house, terracing and stone walls. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway. Mr. Yellen represented Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow.
Mr. Smith referred to the letter sent to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow which indicated the type of information needed on the new set of drawings. Mr. Yellen stated it was impossible to get the new drawings finished in time to submit them by September 2nd. He brought the new plans with him to show to the Commission at the Public Hearing.
Mr. Yellen offered to let the second Public Hearing make their presentation first since his hearing might require a lengthy discussion. Mr. Smith advised him that there would probably not be much discussion since all plans must be reviewed by Mr. Talbot before going to a Public Hearing. He asked Mr. Yellen to leave the drawings along with any instructions and Mr. Talbot would review them as soon as possible. Mr. Treadway will also look at the new plans. Mr. Smith said a special meeting could be held if necessary, or wait until the next scheduled meeting. He informed Mr. Yellen that the Commission might likely deny without prejudice and just start from the beginning with all the new information at the next meeting.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, for renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 7:46PM.
Due to technical difficulties, this Public Hearing was not recorded.
Vanderlip /113 Woodbury Road /Add cedar fencing.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:48PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 27, 2003, by Caroline Vanderlip, 113 Woodbury Road, to install cedar fencing. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 9/7/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot. Mr. Krentzman was there to represent himself and Ms. Vanderlip.
Mrs. Picton asked if this is the house opposite the Mayflower entrance. Yes. The members studied the photographs, fence styles and site plan (rec'd. 8/27/03). They asked where exactly the 60ft long fence would be installed and if there is an existing fence. Mr. Krentzman explained the black line drawn on the photo is where the fence will be installed. There is no existing fence, only shrubs. He added, the fence would work as a buffer and keep noise from the back yard.
Mrs. Picton commented that generally the Commission does not encourage fences in the historic districts because they block off views from the public way. However, she understands why he wants a fence since his house is across from the Mayflower entrance.
The members looked over the page of various fence styles. The proposed fence style had been circled. Mrs. Boyer said she is aware HDC has no jurisdiction over color, but asked Mr. Krentzman if they have decided on a color for the fence. No. Mr. Chute thought the fence would look better unpainted. Mrs. Picton agreed - it would be less conspicuous. Mr. Smith said he did not care for the arc on the fence. Mrs. Picton noted a perfectly straight silhouette does not look that well. There are no straight lines in nature. Mrs. Boyer thought a slight bow in the fence would be preferable. She also did not think the fence should be like the one across the street or the one at St. John's-it should have its own character. Mr. Graney suggested the tops of the fence posts should have caps, not acorns.
The Commission continued to study and discuss the fence styles. They agreed on three styles, any of which would be appropriate. Mr. Graney read from page 8 of the "Guidelines" regarding fencing.
The members discussed the size of the panels and height of the fence. Mr. Krentzman said he was not sure how wide the panels are. They appear to be 8 to 10ft wide. Mr. Chute asked Mr. Krentzman if an 8ft high fence would work better. Yes, he prefers 8ft high, it would keep out more light and noise. Mr. Smith noted that they are already adding 6ft with the slope of the hillside, so a 6ft fence should be sufficient. All agreed. A 6ft high fence was asked for in the application, so Mr. Smith said the Commission would act on that. If Mr. Krentzman wants to consider an 8ft fence in the future, he can come back to the Commission. Mr. Krentzman agreed.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted by Caroline Vanderlip, 113 Woodbury Road, to install cedar fencing. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:25PM.
Due to technical difficulties, this Public Hearing was not recorded in its entirety. This tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:27PM and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Treadway and Alternate Chute for Mr. Talbot.
Pending Business
Kyte - Surnow(continued) /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations & addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
The Commission agreed to deny this application without prejudice. The information was inadequate for making a decision. A letter will be sent to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow informing them that the new plans which were brought to the meeting tonight will be reviewed to see if they are sufficient for the next meeting.
MOTION: To deny without prejudice the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted July 8, 2003, by Dennis Kyte and Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to make renovations and build an addition to the existing house, for the following reason: At the time of this vote, the Commission found this application to be incomplete. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Vanderlip /113 Woodbury Road /Add cedar fencing.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted August 27, 2003, by Caroline Vanderlip, 113 Woodbury Road, to install cedar fencing as indicated in the information submitted with the application. The fence is to be six feet in height, cedar, with square caps, per Platt's Board Screen Fencing Style#2, Style#3 or Style#8. This work is to be completed by September 15, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 8/18/03 site inspection report as written. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To approve the 8/18/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Chute, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Boyer.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at approximately 8:50PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
August 18, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mrs. Picton, Mr. Treadway and Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Graney
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives, Mrs. Boyer and Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. YellenPUBLIC HEARING
Kyte - Surnow(continued) /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations & addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
Mr. Smith reconvened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 7/8/03 by Mr. Dennis Kyte and Mr. Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to make renovations and build an addition to the existing house, add a pool with fence a pool house, terracing and stone walls. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney. Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow were not present. Their contractor, Mr. Yellen, represented them.
Mr. Yellen began by thanking the members who were present at the site visit earlier in the day. He said he had spoken to Mr. Kyte and explained to him the seriousness of what the Commission needs so they can see exactly what is going to be built and render a decision.
Mr. Kyte sent along with Mr. Yellen a set of plans from the former owner (Mr. Thorne) which had previously been approved by HDC, to help illustrate what Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow want to do - only not as extensive. The members compared these plans with the ones submitted by Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow on 7/21/03.
Mr. Smith brought up some questions from the site visit: 1)need to see a redrawing of the pool area, 2)the addition is reasonably acceptable, and 3)need a clear drawing of the pitch and location of roof in the rear.
Mr. Yellen said he wants to provide the Commission with everything they need in order to make a decision. He asked about the time limits of the decision making process. Mr. Smith said the Commission must act within 65 days and the decision can include stipulations.
Mr. Smith suggested they divide this discussion and presentation into four parts in order to see if items presented to the Commission are adequate: 1)the rear, 2)the addition, 3)the pool and its specific location, and 4)the front facade.
Pool
Mr. Smith asked if there were plans for the pool. No. Mr. Smith noted the plan the members were shown this morning at the site visit is inaccurate. It does not show where the pool will be, how it will relate to the wall, etc. The Commission cannot approve a pool without a specific plan.
Mr. Yellen apologized and said he was under the impression that at this meeting tonight he would find out exactly what the Commission needed and have it ready by the September meeting.
Addition
The members looked over the plans for the addition submitted 7/21/03. They thought, more than likely, the addition would not be visible from the road. Mr. Smith said the faade may not be visible but the mass you are putting there may be. The Commission agreed a massing model of the house and proposed addition would be very helpful. Mr. Yellen said he would like to start work on the addition. Mr. Treadway noted if just the basement were to be put in, the footprint would be in place and, once in, would not change. Mr. Talbot commented the footprint works. He added, the Commission needs overall dimensions so if any issues come up while construction is in progress, one of the members can go to the site and determine whether building is proceeding according to plan.
Mr. Yellen said he realizes Historic needs a lot more details than they have been given. The members assured Mr. Yellen that they realize he is the builder. The owners should obtain detailed plans from a drafter or architect, especially addressing the four areas listed at the beginning of this discussion. Mr. Treadway asked if the owners understand that if the drawings are not received in time to be reviewed for the next meeting, they will not get approval. Mr. Yellen understands and will relay that to them.
The Commission and Mr. Yellen agreed to continue the Public Hearing until September. Mr. Smith asked if there were any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow until September 15, 2003, for renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls at 97 Calhoun Street. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith continued the Public Hearing at 8:12PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:13PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney.
Pending Business
Kyte - Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow until September 15, 2003, for renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls at 97 Calhoun Street. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
The Commission continued to discuss the Kyte - Surnow project. They hoped that Mr. Yellen knows he cannot do any work because no approvals were given. Mr. Talbot said he thinks Mr. Yellen understands that he has no approvals.
It was agreed that a letter should be sent to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow, with a copy to Mr. Yellen, informing them in detail what is needed by the Commission in order to consider their application. Exact details were discussed - see letter in applicant file.
Detailed drawings are requested by September 2, 2003 for review. When drawings arrive, Mr. Smith, Mr. Talbot and Mr. Treadway will review. If drawings are not complete, the Commission will deny without prejudice due to incompleteness and they will have to start all over again with a new application.
MOTION: To state that the plans for the project at 97 Calhoun Street submitted by Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow are considered to be inadequate. A complete set of plans needs to be submitted by September 2nd for review or the application may be denied without prejudice on September 15, 2003. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 7/21/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Talbot and passed 5-0.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
July 21, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mr. Treadway and Mr. Talbot
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: None
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Rives, Mrs. Boyer and Mr. ChutePUBLIC HEARING
Kyte - Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations & addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:45PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 7/8/03 by Mr. Dennis Kyte and Mr. Seymour Surnow, 97 Calhoun Street, to make renovations and build an addition to the existing house, add a pool with fence, a pool house, terracing and stone walls. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices 7/13/03. Mr. Smith seated the members. Mr. Kyte and Mr. Seymour were not present. They were represented by their contractor, Mr. Stephen Yellen.
Mr. Talbot informed the other commissioners that Mr. Yellen has worked as a general contractor on some of his projects in the past, so Mr. Talbot said he was willing to recuse himself from the Public Hearing if anyone had any objections. Mr. Treadway said he did not have a problem and thought Mr. Talbot's expertise was needed. The other members agreed.
Mr. Yellen began by introducing himself. He said he has worked in town for 15yrs. He presented a new set of drawings, also photos showing views from the public way (marked rec'd 7/21/03). He said he would try to answer questions and discuss anything regarding the project. Mr. Yellen said he could build from these drawings - this is pretty much the plan. He added he wants to work with the Commission regarding outside lighting, etc.
Mr. Smith commented there is a lot being done. Mr. Yellen said they are only adding 717sqft; dormers on second floor, master bedroom, master bath and trellises with screened porch.
Mr. Talbot asked Mr. Yellen to discuss the overall site plan. Mr. Yellen referred to Page 5 of the drawings which shows the porch, patio, retaining walls and the slope down to the pool. Mr. Smith noted that coming up Calhoun Street one would be able to see the retaining wall for the pool as well as the small shed at either end of the pool. Mr. Graney asked the purpose for the sheds. One is for changing, the other for storing furniture.
Next the members discussed the fence. Mr. Smith asked the height. Mr. Talbot asked if the fence is for privacy and how the fence will relate to the stone wall. Mr. Yellen said no one has addressed the exact height or where the fence will end, etc. - Mr. Kyte just drew it in. Mr. Treadway asked if they are trying to hide the garage. Yes.
Mr. Treadway asked about the rest of the plan. The Commission looked over the drawings. Mr. Yellen said the first floor of the existing house will remain as is. The second floor of the existing house will also stay as it is except for three dormers being added across the back. The new addition consists of the master bedroom, master bath and screened porch. All mechanicals will be in the basement and condensers at the back of the house. There will be all new wood shingles on the roof - all new wood shingle siding with a bleaching stain on the siding to make it a light gray.
The members looked at Page 5 of the drawings. Mr. Talbot asked if all the french doors shown in the drawing were operable. He also questioned whether the height of the wall is tall enough to handle the 7ft french doors with the 1ft transom above. Mr. Yellen said that may have to be adjusted. Mr. Talbot suggested that Mr. Kyte rework that section in order to help the Commission understand exactly what it will look like. Mr. Smith said Mr. Talbot may be raising the possibility that these drawings are not final. Mr. Yellen stated he could build from these drawings. Mr. Treadway stated what the Commission approves is what they expect to be built. Mr. Yellen said all plans are "tweeked" a little. Mr. Smith asked Mr. Talbot if he is concerned the plans might be changed. Mr. Talbot replied that conceptually the drawings are fine, but he is not certain whether what the members are looking at represents what they are being asked to approve. Mr. Yellen stated that, six months from now, if these plans are put up against what was built - the structure won't look exactly like the plans. Mr. Yellen agreed that the plans need to be redrawn.
For comparison, the members looked at plans submitted by Mr. Thorne who owned the property previously. He came before the Commission in 2002 for approval of an addition and renovations, but never made any changes before he sold the property to Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow. The members agreed that the Kyte - Surnow changes are an improvement. Mr. Graney observed it is great they are trying to make the house look better.
The members discussed again the swimming pool and terracing as it slopes away from the house. Mr. Talbot said he thought they should have a site visit. Mr. Treadway agreed. Mr. Yellen said he hoped they would want to visit the site. He said he would have stakes set up so the members will have an idea of how the pool and terracing will all look from the public way.
The members decided on the morning of August 18th for the site visit. In addition, the members decided this Public Hearing should be continued until the next regularly scheduled meeting on August 18, 2003.
Mr. Smith asked if there were any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To conduct a site visit on August 18, 2003 at 8:30AM for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow at 97 Calhoun Street. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 4-0.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow until August 18, 2003, for renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 4-0.
Mr. Smith continued the Public Hearing at 9:03PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 9:07PM and seated the members. Mr. Talbot had to leave.
Pending Business
Kyte - Surnow /97 Calhoun Street /Renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls.
MOTION: To continue the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Mr. Kyte and Mr. Surnow until August 18, 2003, for renovations and addition to existing house, pool w/fence, pool house, terracing and stone walls. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 4-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 6/16/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 3-0.
Other Business
The Commission discussed the necessity of making sure that the Building Official and Zoning Officer get the same plans that have been approved by HDC. From now on HDC will request two sets of construction plans. Upon approval, one set will be signed by HDC and given back to the applicant to show the Building Official what was approved. All agreed that made sense.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:15PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
June 16, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mr. Talbot, Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives, Mrs. Boyer and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Brighenti, Ms. Khouri, Mr. BassPUBLIC HEARING
Brighenti /17 Kirby Road /Remove fencing and garage overhang, add stone wall, change driveway material.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 6/4/03 by Mr. and Mrs. Stephen R. Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to remove fencing and garage overhang, add a stone wall and change driveway material. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 6/8/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton. Mr. Brighenti was present.
Mr. Brighenti explained to the Commission that he recently purchased the carriage house previously owned by Shirley Miller and wants to restore it - mostly interior work. He presented some photos and a site plan (marked rec'd 6/4/03). He pointed out on the site plan where he would like to build a continuation of the stone wall which is in front of The Rocks and extend it to the end of his property line. It will be 28in high, 24in wide and 133ft long. Mr. Brighenti said he would like to remove some chain link fencing which had been installed by the previous owner for her dogs. In addition, there is a stockade fence which is collapsing into his yard. He is not sure if the fence is on his property or belongs to his neighbor - but will check to be certain before removing it. The stockade and chain link fences are not visible from any public way as the entire yard is screened by large pine trees. He will also be cutting down some dead trees.
The stones in the driveway are presently white marble. Mr. Brighenti would like to remove the white stones and install gray and black peastone with a black metal edging to contain them. He asked the members if they thought that would be acceptable. Yes.
The Commission looked at the photo showing the garage overhang. Mr. Brighenti discussed briefly his intention to remove the overhang and re-side with cedar shingles. He said he would eventually like to get rid of the garage doors, but not until he is sure he can convert the garage area to living space. At present he has one bedroom and one bathroom. He cannot expand his living space without approval to expand his septic system. He is having deep and perc tests done on June 25.
Mr. Smith said he has no problem with the proposed work. Mr. Treadway said it sounds good to him. All agreed. Mr. Talbot asked if there would be any exterior lighting or mechanical equipment installed. No.
Mr. Smith asked the Commission if they had any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness for Mr. and Mrs. Stephen R. Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to remove fencing and garage overhang, add stone wall and change driveway material. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 7:55PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 7:57PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mrs. Picton. Mr. Smith advised the members that a discussion with Ms. Ann Khouri, 75 Green Hill Road, would be added to the agenda under Other Business.
Pending Business
Brighenti /17 Kirby Road /Remove fencing and garage overhang, add stone wall, change driveway material.
Mr. Smith asked the Commission if they required any additional information or discussion.
Mr. Talbot said he thought the proposed work was fine - just cleaning up what needs to be done. He said the roof may have been original, but being shingled over is not a problem. Mrs. Boyer agreed. Mr. Treadway said it would be a definite improvement. All the members agreed.
MOTION: To approve the application for a certificate of Appropriateness submitted June 4, 2003, by Mr. and Mrs. Stephen R. Brighenti, 17 Kirby Road, to remove garage overhang and reshingle, remove fencing, add a stone wall and change driveway materials as presented on June 16, 2003 and illustrated by the map received June 4, 2003. This work is to be completed by June 16, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 5/19/03 minutes as written. By Mrs. Boyer, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
Other Business
The Commission briefly discussed signs. Mrs. Boyer mentioned that the Swiss Hospitality signs and the "no parking" signs are gone from The Green. Newly arrived is a "neighborhood watch" sign on the Demado property.
Khouri /75 Green Hill Road
Fencing. Ms. Khouri said she would like to install a fence between her property and her neighbors, the Fairbairns, for privacy. They have a very large driveway and usually a lot of traffic as two families share the driveway. She showed the members some photos and a drawing of the proposed fence. She is proposing a board fence, 6 1/2 ft high, horizontal boards rather than vertical with a break between the boards. Ms. Khouri said the fence would blend and be natural. Ms. Khouri noted that Mr. Fairbairn has a 5ft right of way along the property line to plant and maintain shrubs. Mr. Talbot asked if a 6ft high fence is necessary. Yes. Mrs. Boyer asked how far the fence would extend toward the road. Ms. Khouri said it would extend as far as the corner of the porch.
Ms. Khouri said her neighbor on the back property line is going to install an 8ft high lattice fence. Ms. Khouri said she would like to plant evergreens to screen the fence, rabbit hutch, etc. Mrs. Boyer asked Ms. Khouri if it would be possible for her to get together with her neighbor and both of them plant trees - that might be better than a fence.
Addition. They are looking to improve the back of the house. Ms. Khouri showed the members a sketch and said they would like to create a gable end with walkout deck on the second floor master bedroom. She noted this addition would not be very visible. Mr. Talbot thought the impact would be minimal from the public way and a great improvement to the house.
Northeast Corner. This corner is structurally failing. Part of the plan is to bring the roof down and wrap it around the east side of the house for about 30ft. It would extend out 18in which requires Ms. Khouri to go to ZBA for a variance as the house already exceeds lot coverage.
Mr. Treadway said what they are proposing will be an enhancement and very appropriate. Mr. Talbot agreed - it works from an historic standpoint. The members agreed the re-design helped preserve and improve the house and discussed writing a letter to ZBA in support of Ms. Khouri in hopes that by doing so the renovations would be more historically appropriate to the Washington Green District.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they had any more questions. Mrs. Boyer said there is something about a 6ft fence that's a problem. Mr. Treadway wondered if Ms. Khouri could talk with the Fairbairns and possibly do something together. Mr. Smith wondered whether a fence in that location and that size is appropriate. He said the Commission needs to think about it. All agreed. He continued by saying they should probably each go individually to see what the fence may look like.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:15P.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade, Secretary
May 19, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mr. Talbot, and Mrs. Picton
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Treadway
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives, Mrs. Boyer and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. and Mrs. Peter Klemm, Mr. TittmanPUBLIC HEARING
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Replace existing kitchen with 2-story addition on back of house.
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:35PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/29/03 by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to replace the existing kitchen with a 2-story addition on the back of the house. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 5/11/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway. Mr. and Mrs. Klemm were present and introduced their architect, Mr. Harold Tittman.
Mr. Klemm prepared a folder for each member containing a site plan, a letter from engineer Brian Neff, along with a drawing showing the proposed expansion to the leaching fields, photos of the house and a set of plans. The members looked over the items in their folders. In addition, Mr. Klemm presented new photos and plans (rec'd 5/8/03) requested by Mr. Talbot in order to clarify: visibility of the proposed addition from any public way and existing condition photos, info on the french doors, the porches, porch columns and lighting fixtures if visible from a public way.
Mr. Klemm pointed out in the new photos where he staked out the area for the proposed addition. The members looked at the visibility plan, A-0.02 (dated 5/8/03) which shows the addition from different perspectives and visibility from the public way. Mr. Tittman said they are replacing the kitchen with a larger kitchen addition with eat-in area and a master bedroom and bath above. Mr. Klemm said he had studied other houses in the neighborhood and noted Mr. Beck and Ms. Canning have similar additions; large eat-in kitchens with master bedrooms above them.
Mr. Graney asked how many square feet in the new addition. Mr. Tittman replied about 1550sqft. The Commission discussed this with Mr. Tittman and Mr. Klemm and concluded that the size of the original farmhouse was 1800sqft. The addition completed in 2002 added 1000sqft.
The members studied the new drawings and photos (rec'd 5/8/03). They discussed the grading beside the proposed addition. Mr. Talbot asked about the wide horizontal band in the middle of the addition. Mr. Tittman explained it stands out because it is a computer drawing. It will be a 10in wide board but will be painted the same as the house - will not stand out and will be very subtle. Mr. Talbot asked if some of the windows have changed from the original plan. Mr. Klemm replied no definite decision has been made regarding the windows other than they prefer double-hung windows. After a brief discussion Mr. Smith wrote some notes on dwg.A-2.51 and stated that was the correct window detail. Mr. Graney asked if they intend to replicate the shutters for the addition. Mr. Tittman said they had not thought about that, but the whole house has shutters. Mr. Tittman said they learned from their last visit to HDC that there should be a subtle difference in the design of an addition yet try to tie it in to the existing house. Also with respect to windows, to make sure all panels are taller rather than wider. Mr. Chute said he could see that they have gone to something a little more modern. Mr. Klemm noted Ms. Canning has the same type of window on the back of her house.
Mr. Talbot asked if all other materials would match the existing house. Mr. Klemm said yes - clapboards, wood roof, copper gutters - all the same. Mr. Tittman said the Klemms would like to have a stone chimney. Mr. Talbot said he did not have a problem with that. He asked Mr. Tittman to talk a little about the size of the addition. Mr. Tittman said he originally thought about something a lot bigger in size but proportion wise it did not make sense. He kept the plan as small as possible while trying to meet their program. They needed a larger kitchen and a master bedroom and bath. Mr. Graney asked how many existing bedrooms. Three. Mr. Klemm said the finished attic is an office - only in the center is it possible to stand up straight. Mrs. Klemm said right now they have a stand-up kitchen. They are hoping for a sit down kitchen with more room. Mr. Talbot asked if the picture of the exterior light is the same as their other exterior lights. Yes.
Mr. Smith asked the Commission if they had any additional comments or questions. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to replace existing kitchen with 2-story addition on back of house. By Mr. Talbot, seconded by Mr. Graney and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:10PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:12PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Chute for Mr. Treadway.
Pending Business
Klemm /11 Ives Road /Replace existing kitchen with 2-story addition on back of house.
Mr. Smith suggested to the members that they have some additional discussion and decide if everyone is ready to vote. He continued by saying he feels one issue may be size. A second issue is the degree to which the proposed addition is similar or different from either the original house or the first addition. The third issue is the sense of appropriateness of the proposed addition.
The Commission discussed size. Mr. Smith said although the addition is substantial, it doesn't seem to outmass the rest of the house due to the reduced elevation. Mr. Talbot said it's really big. Mr. Tittman said they have made an effort to keep the addition appropriate and at the same time meet the needs of Mr. and Mrs. Klemm. Mrs. Picton said she does not think this proposal is overpoweringly big or out of proportion, but thinks one may not be able to see as much of the barn. Mr. Tittman said it is hard to see the barn because of the trees.
Next the members discussed the way the addition fits with the rest of the building. Mr. Smith said as far as he can see, the siding and windows are similar, but different enough not to be confused with the first addition or the original house. It is not an overly elaborate addition to a simple place. Mrs. Picton agreed. She asked about the dormers. Mr. Graney said they are not full dormers. Mr. Chute added, they are pretty discreet. Mr. Tittman noted they had tried many different dormers and decided on these because neighbors have similar dormers. Mrs. Picton said they are about as simple as they can be. Mr. Talbot remarked that they seem to have followed the lead on the first addition regarding the muntins. Mr. Tittman said they have made sure that they are taller than they are wide. Mr. Talbot said he liked the fact that the first addition did not have shutters and he hopes they will stay away from shutters on this new addition. He protested the fact that the shutters showed up at a later date on the first addition. Mr. Smith asked Mr. and Mrs. Klemm if they want to put shutters on this new addition. They said they don't care - it does not matter. Mr. Smith stated the overall appearance of the addition fits in with, but will not be the same as the existing house.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they wished further discussion on windows, lighting, size of clapboards or any other details. No.
Mr. Talbot asked if another retaining wall will be added or will the ground just be graded. Mr. Tittman said another 12 to 14 inches of soil will be added and graded.
Mrs. Picton noted the door in the drawing is not like any of the others. Mr. Tittman said the door will match - more like french doors. Mr. Tittman said he would submit specs on the doors. Mr. Talbot asked the size of the porch columns - 8 inches.
Mr. Smith asked if there were other points to discuss. Mr. Graney commented it is hard to look at details when, in his opinion, the massing is not appropriate to this house. Mr. Smith suggested they go back to the size issue. Mrs. Picton said the addition is large but not overpowering - it is lower and set back (especially on the west side). The existence of the recent addition allows for this second addition to be as large as it is. Mr. Smith asked the members if they think the addition is large enough to be inappropriate:
Mrs. Picton: Will think about it.
Mr. Graney: It is pretty clear the mass is overwhelming.
Mr. Chute: No. Basically, it is pretty well hidden.
Mr. Talbot: It is verging on being inappropriate. They need the space - it works with the addition they did before. Do we have the ability to keep people from doing what their program requires? Don't have a problem with it.
Mr. Talbot noted the addition will obstruct some of the openness - but how much control do we have. Mr. Smith said it is within HDC rules to say no. Mr. Graney suggested they look at the value of the farmhouse and not get caught up in more space. This is a small farmhouse built approx. 100yrs ago - a house in a historic district and important to the district. Can this building still be read as having this history? Mr. Smith said he understands Mr. Graney's point but thinks that is why the Guidelines say an addition should be different. Mr. Graney said the issue is, the rear addition will overwhelm the little farmhouse. Mr. Smith stated historic districts change through the years. Characteristics of some of the farmhouses change as people become prosperous. Mrs. Picton said the house is big and can hide a big addition pretty well.
Mr. Talbot asked Mr. Klemm if he is still contemplating changes to the driveway. Mr. Klemm said that is not important at this time. Maybe in the future. And a garage? May use the barn in the future.
Mr. Smith told the Commission if they need more time or want to visit the property they can decide to vote at a later date, or we can vote now and you can either vote no or abstain. Mr. Klemm asked what they need for approval. Mr. Smith replied a majority out of five.
Mr. Chute noted the dimensions of the addition are 21'x37'. Mr. Talbot asked if they could shorten the 37ft length. Mr. Tittman replied they have already shrunk the addition as much as they can.
The Commission decided to take a straw vote:
Mr. Talbot: yes
Mr. Chute: yes
Mr. Graney: no
Mrs. Picton: yes
Mr. Smith: yes
Mr. Smith asked the members if they were ready to have the official vote on the motion. Yes.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted April 29, 2003 by Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, to replace the existing kitchen with a 2-story addition on the back of the house, as shown on plans submitted April 29, 2003 and revised by plans dated May 1, 2003 and received May 8, 2003. It is stipulated that shutters will not be added to this addition. Details of the doors are to be submitted to the Commission prior to construction. This work is to be completed by May 19, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-1.
Mr. Graney voted against.
Mr. Klemm thought it would take until September of 2004 to complete the work and asked for a later completion date. The Commission agreed and revised the motion.
MOTION: To revise the Certificate of Appropriateness for Christina and Peter Klemm, 11 Ives Road, in order to change the completion date to September 30, 2004. By Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 4-1.
Mr. Graney voted against.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 4/21/03 minutes as written. By Mrs. Picton, seconded by Mr. Chute and passed 3-0-2.
Mr. Talbot and Mr. Graney abstained because they were not present at that meeting.
Other Business
The members discussed the Stuart barn, 110 Calhoun Street. Mr. and Mrs. Stuart wrote a letter and submitted photos and drawings to the Commission informing them that the roof on the shed at the back of their barn had collapsed over the winter. They would like permission to replace the shed in kind. The members agreed they should go ahead and replace the shed. In addition, the members discussed how important that barn is to the Calhoun-Ives Historic District and discussed if there might be funds available for the restoration of historic buildings and if the Stuarts might be interested.
Mrs. Picton mentioned that at the last meeting she had been assigned the task to work with The Gunnery on their project of replacing the tennis deck and pro shop. The members discussed the backboard - should it be painted or have plantings. Mr. Graney said painting without plantings would make it stand out more. All agreed. Mr. Talbot asked if there is an awning over the viewing deck does the color matter. Mr. Graney suggested green seems logical - to blend in better with other colors on the fence, etc. Mr. Talbot commented that Mrs. Picton is in a position to recommend.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Talbot.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 9:30PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade
Secretary
April 21, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Treadway, Mrs. Picton, Mrs. Boyer(for Mr. Talbot) and Mrs. Rives(for Mr. Graney)
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot and Mr. Graney
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Boyer, Mrs. Rives and Mr. Chute
ALTERNATES ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. Shade
OTHERS PRESENT: Mr. Kelly, Mr. Ullram, Mr. Connor, Mr. Sedito, ResidentsPUBLIC HEARING
The Gunnery School, Inc. /99 Green Hill Road /Replace tennis deck and pro shack
Mr. Smith opened the Public Hearing at 7:40PM to consider the application for Certificate of Appropriateness submitted 4/10/03 by The Gunnery School, Inc., 99 Green Hill Road, to replace the tennis deck and pro shack. He read the legal notice which appeared in Voices on 4/13/03. Mr. Smith seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney. Mr. Kelly was there to represent The Washington Club and introduced Mr. Ullram, Business Manager of The Gunnery School, Mr. Condon, President of The Washington Club and Mr. Sedito of Sedito Construction who will oversee the project.
Mr. Kelly began by saying all pertinent information is contained in the plans. The Commission studied the photographs, site plan and drawings (marked rec'd 4/21/03). Mr. Kelly stated the project consisted of two phases; the first was to resurface the tennis court which was done last fall, and the second is to replace the deck and pro shack.
Mr. Kelly went on to explain that these new plans are very similar to the existing footprint. Only modest changes have been made. In addition, the architect has created views of elevations from all public ways surrounding the project. Some trees have been removed. The new deck will be thinner and longer and will be pushed more toward the parking lot and will be handicap accessible. The old backboard wall has been removed and replaced with a new one which is 10ft tall. Mr. Kelly explained that no definite decisions have been made yet regarding landscaping for the wall.
Mrs. Rives asked about the materials to be used. Mr. Kelly replied the materials are all listed on page SK-3 of the drawings. Mr. Sedito said the new pro shop will have cedar shingles on the bottom and horizontal siding on the top half. The stain and the roofing material will be the same as the existing theater building.
Mrs. Boyer asked if the little shack would have to go. Mr. Kelly said the little shack Mr. Wetherill built will have to go. Mr. Treadway said he did not think the deck would be visible from Route 47. Mrs. Rives asked if the deck will have a roof. No, it will have a seasonal awning.
Mrs. Boyer noted that the new backboard wall stands out like a sore thumb. She asked if the wall is going to remain the same shape and color. Mr. Kelly noted that the backboard wall is presently just cement block but it will be covered over with smooth cement. They have not decided on a color for the wall and a small Welcome to The Gunnery' sign may be added. The members did not think a sign on the wall was a really good idea. They briefly discussed the fact that the issue of the wall, even though it is a replacement in kind, should have come before the Commission. Mrs. Picton commented that she does not object so much to how the backboard wall looks, but it is too bad that now there is another structure which disappears only when covered by landscaping that has slipped by the Commission. Mr. Kelly stated the new wall is smaller and sturdier than the original one - it is more visible now because the line of large trees that blocked the view has been removed. Mrs. Boyer said the driveway of the theater building on Route 47 is where you pick up the view of the wall and that is the view previously hidden by the large trees. Mr. Kelly apologized and said he did not realize they should have come to HDC first, but, he added the wall is very amenable to landscaping.
Next the Commission studied and discussed the plans for the pro shop. Mr. Treadway thought the only structure really visible from a public way will be the new pro shop. Mr. Kelly said it will image the theater building. The new pro shop will still be on the deck; just sliding more toward the parking area.
Mr. Sedito said the deck is on two levels as depicted in drawing SK-3. There will be a fence on both levels and materials are listed in drawing SK-3. Mr. Kelly added all railings will be the same as those that surround the courts. Mr. Smith asked how high - 42inches. The railings, as depicted in drawing SK-4, will be cedar with vinyl coated wire; as in black chain link. Mrs. Boyer asked how wide the top of the railing will be. Mr. Kelly said it will be 5 inches wide and will be sloped so no one can sit on it or place beverages on it.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they have a clear enough sense of what the deck will look like or do they need any additional information on the materials being used. Mrs. Picton said she thinks it will look nice, that the fence will "disappear" as opposed to something like vertical pickets and that it will integrate with fences around the tennis courts. Mr. Treadway asked Mr. Kelly when they expect to be open. July 4th.
Mrs. Boyer said her thoughts keep going back to the wall. Mr. Kelly assured her the wall will be rubbed smooth with cement, then painted, then planted. He thinks the missing large tree is why it is so noticeable. Mr. Ullram stated he agrees with Mrs. Boyer, the wall needs to be masked.
Mr. Smith asked the Commission if they had any additional comments or questions. Mrs. Boyer said she thought the deck and pro shack look great. All agreed. Mr. Smith asked if anyone in the audience had any additional questions or comments. There were none.
MOTION: To close the Public Hearing to consider the application for The Gunnery School, Inc. /99 Green Hill Road, to replace the tennis deck and pro shack. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith closed the Public Hearing at 8:10PM.
This Public Hearing was recorded on tape. The tape is on file in the Land Use Office, Bryan Memorial Town Hall, Washington Depot, Connecticut.
REGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:12PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Boyer for Mr. Talbot and Alternate Rives for Mr. Graney.
Pending Business
The Gunnery School, Inc. /99 Green Hill Road /Replace tennis deck and pro shack
Mr. Smith asked the members for additional comments. Mr. Treadway said he thought the plans look fine. Mrs. Boyer said she sees no reason to postpone voting. Mrs. Picton said she thinks it is very appropriate.
Mr. Smith asked the members if they would like to say something about the backboard wall in the Motion. Mrs. Picton said it is regrettable, - it has happened before and it is irritating. Mr. Smith asked Mr. Kelly if the Commission can have a commitment from him to break up the wall with plantings. Mr. Kelly said it was an error made in good faith and he is totally open to suggestions by the Commission. Mrs. Boyer said she would like to see the wall blend into the environment rather than a sign saying "Welcome to The Gunnery". Mr. Smith asked if, together, a solution could be decided upon that would be satisfactory to all concerned. Mr. Kelly asked if one of the members would be willing to act as a go-between - perhaps Mrs. Picton? Mrs. Picton said she would.
MOTION: To approve the application for a Certificate of Appropriateness submitted April 10, 2003, by The Gunnery School, Inc., 99 Green Hill Road, to replace the tennis deck and pro shack as shown on plans presented April 21, 2003: EX-1, PS-1 and SK-1 thru SK-6. This work is to be completed by April 21, 2004; else this approval shall be void. By Mrs. Rives, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 3/17/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway seconded by Mrs. Boyer and passed 5-0.
Other Business
The members briefly discussed using the Inland Wetlands camera. Mr. Talbot is looking into another possibility. Discussion continued to next meeting.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at approximately 8:35PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully submitted,
Martha T. Shade,
Secretary
March 17, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Treadway and Mr. Graney
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mrs. Picton and Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer and Mr. Chute
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 7:35PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mr. Talbot.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTIONS: To approve the 1/13/03 minutes as written. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 4-0.
Other Business
The members discussed the boundaries of The Washington Green Historic District as it applies to The Gunnery tennis courts and proposed new tennis shack. The boundary line runs parallel to Route 47 and is 500ft from the road. Mr. Smith said he was not exactly sure what was included in that 500ft. Mr. Treadway said he would be willing to help measure the distance. Mr. Graney showed the members some map coordinates and said by using these coordinates, the exact location of the boundary line can be determined. Mr. Treadway noted that should be the responsibility of the applicant.
Mr. Smith spoke with Atty. David Miles, who said he would get back to Mr. Smith regarding procedures to take when work is done without a C of A in one of the historic districts.
Regarding signage, Atty. Miles thought HDC could regulate sandwich board advertising.
Concerning the need to update photographs of buildings and land in the historic districts; Atty. Miles noted that when any type of photographic evidence is to be used in court, the person who took the photograph would have to testify that the photograph had not been altered in any way. The Commission will decide which type of camera is most practical and best suited for their need.
The members read the memo from the Conservation Commission concerning the newly established Data Management Committee. A member will be assigned as soon as possible to serve on this Committee.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mr. Treadway.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 7:55PM.
***** Due to a typographical error, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Chute arrived after the meeting was adjourned. The following brief discussion took place:
Mr. Smith informed them the minutes had been approved. Then he proceeded to go over the business discussed in the meeting: his discussion with Atty. Miles regarding signage, work done without obtaining proper permits and using photography to record land and buildings in the historic districts.
Mr. Chute said he had been asked by the Congregational Church, 6 Kirby Road, to take over the task of obtaining zoning approval to place a sign (33"x8") on the Parish House. (Previously, on 2/11/02, HDC approved the placement of two signs, 36"x12" each, on the Parish House. However, Zoning Regs will allow only one sign and it must be less than two square feet.)
Mrs. Picton commented that she has observed sandwich board signs in other small towns and does not really object to them, but understands that other people do. Mr. Chute said he does not like them.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
Martha T. Shade
Secretary
January 13, 2003
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mr. Smith, Mr. Graney, Mrs. Picton and Mr. Treadway
MEMBERS ABSENT: Mr. Talbot
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Mrs. Rives
ALTERNATES ABSENT: Mrs. Boyer
STAFF PRESENT: Mrs. ShadeREGULAR MEETING
Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 8:00PM and seated the members and seated Alternate Rives for Mrs. Picton. Mrs. Picton arrived at 8:05PM and was seated by Mr. Smith. Alternate Rives was then seated for Mr. Talbot.
Consideration of the Minutes
MOTION: To approve the 12/16/02 minutes as written. By Mr. Graney, seconded by Mr. Treadway and passed 5-0.
Other Business
Election of officers. Mrs. Rives proposed that the present officers serve for another year. That recommendation was agreeable with the other members. Mr. Smith expressed his wish to step down as Chairman. Mr. Treadway asked if would be willing to serve until someone else takes over. Yes. The members suggested that Mr. Smith delegate some of the responsibility to them.
MOTION: To re-elect the present slate of Historic District Commission officers for 2003: Mr. Smith - Chairman, Mr. Treadway - Vice Chairman and Mr. Talbot - Clerk. By Mr. Treadway, seconded by Mrs. Rives and passed 5-0.
Mr. Smith told the Commission that Mr. Greenfield, 12 Ives Road, has been away so he did not go onto the property but thinks since there are no leaves to block the view it would be good to go back and take some photos of the fence from the road. Mr. Treadway said the Commission should write a letter to Mr. Greenfield and ask him to contact HDC when he gets back in town so the fence issue can be resolved. Mr. Graney said, for the record, it would be a good idea to take photographs. Mr. Smith said he would check with Attorney Miles to determine what the process is to make someone undo what they have done without permits.
The Commission discussed the need to update photographs of the three Historic Districts. It has been fifteen or more years since this was last done. Pros and cons of digital cameras and video cameras were discussed. These will be checked out.
New Alternate. Mr. Ron Chute is interested in becoming an Alternate on the Commission. The members agreed he would be a good addition. Mr. Smith said he would contact Mr. Chute and then tell Mrs. Luckey, the First Selectman, that he is willing to serve on the Commission.
Signs on the Green. Mr. Smith said the sandwich board sign belonging to the Congregational Church will be going away. The church is going to get a new hanging sign to replace the present one which is on the corner of Kirby Road and Route 47. It will display all pertinent information and be in the same location as the existing hanging sign. Mrs. Rives asked if the new deli owners might be using a sandwich board sign. So far one has not appeared. Mr. Smith said, if necessary, he would speak to the new owners. Generally, there is no objection when taken in and out each day.
The Conservation Commission is developing a "Welcome to Washington" brochure and is asking for a volunteer from each Commission to help. HDC will select one as soon as possible.
MOTION: To adjourn the meeting. By Mrs. Rives.
Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 8:45PM.
FILED SUBJECT TO APPROVAL
Respectfully Submitted,
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